On 09/04/2015 02:18 AM, Paul Gilmartin wrote:

Perhaps they read the manual?  People are often telling each other to do that.

If you want users to restrict themselves to the SUBMIT command, you should
submit RFEs to:

o Relax the fixed-80 restriction imposed by SUBMIT but not by INTRDR.

o SUBMIT from DDNAMES, UNIX files, and POSIX pipes, all of which are
   supported by INTRDR but not by SUBMIT.

Well, after the conversation I just had over JCL "errors" that aren't, I can understand why one would use INTRDR rather than SUBMIT.

It seems that TSO SUBMIT *assumes* statements such as IF, ELSE, and ENDIF as operator commands!! It does not assume that for DD, JOB, and EXEC statements (z/OS TSO/E Customization V2R1 SA32-0976-00, p. 300).

After the discussion that I've had with JES C/I (which is where we thought this problem was), it seems that TSO built SUBMIT with a rudimentary parse/scan, which INTRDR did not implement.

TSO confirmed that they do a certain amount of parse/scan, and then tells us that "TSO" does not want to get into doing C/I work. Yet that *is* what they effected in years gone by.

This then produces a different handling of IF, ELSE, ENDIF, INCLUDE, SET, etc. as they would be seen as an operator command if it ends with a "," (per the above cited doc -- which TSO cited to me when I pointed out these conflicts).

This behavior by IBM effectively deprecates SUBMIT.

Regards,
Steve Thompson

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