Hi Looking at this discussion I really wanted to share something over here which was shared by one of my colleague.
One of an American ISV company off shored their work to India. The technicians in India wanted to get trained in many areas like zVM but the Indian manager was too hesitant and said there should be lot of tickets or incidents so that he can get a training. The saddest part was the manager was not even literate on zOS systems. All he knew was to save cost. So slowly most of the wannabe system programmer left. Now he wants a 2 year experienced guys to run equal to his peer. So this is one of a case where they are not interested to address the skill shortages. Jake On Feb 27, 2016 5:26 PM, "baby eklavya" <baby.ekla...@gmail.com> wrote: > As i stated earlier , i didn't intend to offend you . I don't have anything > personal against anyone in this list . > > > *"If you read what I said instead of sending out the first thing that came > to your mind, you would understand that I basically agree to everything > you've said here, and that I've literally conveyed the same points"* > > If that's the case , I am happy for that and i apologize if any of my > comments did offend you . > > > On Sat, Feb 27, 2016 at 2:33 PM, Sankaranarayanan, Vignesh < > vignesh.v.sankaranaraya...@marks-and-spencer.com> wrote: > > > To the person hiding behind a misnomer, > > > > " And there would be hundreds of people like me in this list who would > > agree to what I am saying ." > > If you read what I said instead of sending out the first thing that came > > to your mind, you would understand that I basically agree to everything > > you've said here, and that I've literally conveyed the same points. > > Am I arrogant? Of course I am, everyone is in ways they want to be, but I > > don't believe I was with regards to this mail chain. > > Am I an amateur? Of course, I'm not arrogant enough to think I know > > everything. > > > > – Vignesh > > Mainframe Infrastructure > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > > Behalf Of baby eklavya > > Sent: Friday, Feb 26, 2016 11:32 PM > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Subject: Re: Outsourcing Stories Good or Bad! > > > > Vignesh , > > > > Please stop this arrogance...This is not a place to cry for the lack of > > education / exposure you didn't get on the Mainframe . I am from India > and > > i respect the technicians in IBM MAIN a lot . When i started my career on > > mainframe , nobody was there to train me on the subject which i badly > > wanted and i was so scared to take up tasks on zos fearing i would mess > up > > something . Then i had to survive and started learning myself using the > red > > books and a lot of other documents available online .But then i found IBM > > MAIN . This is the community which inspired me to stay on this technology > > and Now i have completed 12 + years on zos and i owe most of my knowledge > > to the legends here . > > > > Like Ed said , this is not a one way street . If you cannot contribute > > here , at least be polite to others and learn how to respect the > > individuals with such a vast knowledge and experience .You have no right > > to humiliate list members and if you think you can compare the skill > levels > > ,sorry to > > say , they are poles apart .In fact Unless you put your efforts , you > > cannot learn anything . Nobody in IBM MAIN is sharing their knowledge > > because they are bound to . But it is because they are real professionals > > who had been on the system for so long and they know the pain of learning > > all these concepts .It is their passion and maturity on the platform > which > > is making them respond to almost every query that is being posted here . > > And there would be hundreds of people like me in this list who would > agree > > to what I am saying . > > > > When management focus on cost reduction , they are not realizing what > kind > > of pathetic service is being delivered to the clients. > > > > And those idiots believe that Mainframe can be learned in few weeks like > > windows . "Oh my boy ! what is so difficult in migrating from RACF to CA > > ACF2 on Z/os when you can install Norton Antivirus on Windows 7 . After > > all , both are there to provide security ". To be honest , this is the > sick > > mentality of management folks which has eventually ruined the quality of > > service that is being provided these days . And yes , i have seen ITIL > > fulfillment teams who joins a Severity 1 incident bridge from nowhere and > > keep asking for updates every second . The fun part is that , they don't > > have a clue about Mainframe . There was an auditor in my previous firm > who > > kept on arguing why cant we setup zos similar to windows where the > patches > > are automatically downloaded and installed . And it took 2 weeks to make > > him understand what is an RSU maintenance . > > > > Finally , i don't intend to offend anyone here . I thought of writing > this > > here because I'am a fan of IBM MAIN and i cannot digest such arrogance > from > > amateurs on a list like this which has seen the best mainframe > technicians > > of the world . > > > > MARKSANDSPENCER.COM > > ________________________________ > > Unless otherwise stated above: > > Marks and Spencer plc > > Registered Office: > > Waterside House > > 35 North Wharf Road > > London > > W2 1NW > > > > Registered No. 214436 in England and Wales. > > > > Telephone (020) 7935 4422 > > Facsimile (020) 7487 2670 > > > > www.marksandspencer.com > > > > Please note that electronic mail may be monitored. > > > > This e-mail is confidential. 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