If you want to pick nits, read "Z-80" as "S-100 PC using a Z-80"; it's not a mainframe, nor is the 1401.
-- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 ________________________________________ From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> on behalf of Wayne Bickerdike <wayn...@gmail.com> Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 10:20 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: How about a little Christmas fudge? | Computerworld Shark tank Z80 was a processor. How could it possibly crop up in a discussion about what constitutes a mainframe? The Altos 8000 was Z80 based as was the North Star Horizon and the Cromemco System 3. I worked with these in the 70's to *escape* from the mainframe, the demise of which was imminent. LOL. Anything you can carry to the boot (trunk) of your car cannot be a mainframe:) On Fri, Dec 28, 2018 at 6:35 AM Seymour J Metz <sme...@gmu.edu> wrote: > > Well, ... the IBM 1401 was built in a substantial frame; > > Substantial? Look at Figure 1 in > http://secure-web.cisco.com/1zGfHVf_OSYTQR-iZeSwUT8hxfRxttRuC64KrmAu3AhbMnt6LyyW-Hp7yUNcU7paWuZbaHN-dbxbJnuJHOx9LIqoVZWk7vzR-Zf_OX4a-ClGtjfSbOPIVMFxIYkYFtcTq3wcZWdiCj-mXgIPGWhxl28vAMZ1aONn5mbNieTKHYzw1k0c2PV0LwDte-VgAq97Jx2hDglzP552wj1RSpk5G_qZ_RDsEi7dChi57va08L87z1kDPeqAKuNsBN2Q7B6n_eifj13cYJcD8Yt0Kvnqcp-EOUAILLbudkLUwdnk4-_f08qEDAsB2PwtlvypFOcQPHqfJ0Xr4VAHmbroBTURny__aAFNQh_eMyKMzSVkqdPg3lYYZ6mCOVtUUmQe7i0Z4HxuWC0BQn26sEcrnl20BORwkDAq-Yvee0rnuF4AyYxT2sKH_bL1pTZCR5VLHMUzp/http%3A%2F%2Fbitsavers.org%2Fpdf%2Fibm%2F1401%2FA24-1401-1_1401_System_Summary_Sep64.pdf > . > > > it appears to have the only > > If a Z-80 had been the only computer mentioned, would you have called it a > mainframe? > > > Other members of the same general family like IBM 1410 were certainly > regarded as a mainframe. > > > The 7010 was certainly called a mainframe, and possibly the 1410, but > never the 1440 or 1460. > > > With a recent MS in Comp Sci, I found myself in the U.S. Army 1969-1971 > > (started in Infantry but ended up as head Company Clerk at HHC of "The > > Old Guard" at Ft Myer VA). I remember reading some memo that came down > > from above the Battalion suggesting the possibility of using a > > punched-card-based system for maintaining and producing our Company > > Roster. That might have involved an IBM 1401, > > More likely a UNIVAC 1005. > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > ________________________________________ > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> on behalf > of Joel C. Ewing <jcew...@acm.org> > Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 11:56 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: How about a little Christmas fudge? | Computerworld Shark tank > > Well, ... the IBM 1401 was built in a substantial frame; and in the > context cited it appears to have the only (hence surely the "main") > computer present. Other members of the same general family like IBM > 1410 were certainly regarded as a mainframe. I'm pretty sure any > computer large enough to require one or more dedicated frames was > called a "mainframe" in those days. When mini-computers first came out, > they weren't considered mainframes because they were typically only the > size of a single rack and could even be carried. > > With a recent MS in Comp Sci, I found myself in the U.S. Army 1969-1971 > (started in Infantry but ended up as head Company Clerk at HHC of "The > Old Guard" at Ft Myer VA). I remember reading some memo that came down > from above the Battalion suggesting the possibility of using a > punched-card-based system for maintaining and producing our Company > Roster. That might have involved an IBM 1401, but my impression at the > time was that the functions they were describing could easily have been > done with just unit-record equipment. Nothing ever came of it while I > was there. It would have saved us the periodic tedium of one or more > man-hours of manually typing up a new roster in which few names changed, > but given that our time was cheap and available, there would have been > no way to cost-justify using a process that would save our time but slow > down the overall process by requiring outside resources. Clearly, at > that time, punched card decks were one of the databases used for > tracking military personnel. > Joel C. Ewing > > On 12/26/18 2:42 PM, Seymour J Metz wrote: > > What is he smoking? Since when was the 1401 a mainframe? > > > > > > -- > > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > > > ________________________________________ > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> on > behalf of Mark Regan <marktre...@gmail.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 8:28 AM > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Subject: How about a little Christmas fudge? | Computerworld Shark tank > > > > > https://secure-web.cisco.com/1iMlW_GZ2Scqioa5F4rqymcywO0OTBLBFOtYPuQZZF6F73Kv0x_B9nU3SOTiheXf32DsESHEBSvbzXuJ78Z2XaRKtXr7A2GITbjxnEDGjBqcDiOzF9WOIQCYJIH89nABmY7xso9DckpD3Q10YPvrxhvPVeFvR6IYMhBl0Po4k4-03fXnkJSammKYm3lrjMJyX4f-lcp9YlEt59dyzYTF_at6wT-i9VPdyfHx5DVlOyFFEzAQxZe-ifUcS7uOAE70lUB6w6ZfwDLRp9vhqQVEaCVSjXFSY0F4a2YhM92FII0XRqIAu4y7yW4Iop4TXQVM-iMQuqleDME3jgueepL3jXWQ797SaO4hRpNph47Gl9FOTKIqwIXeAe2DNqPGTQMlRexhctM6zHXZYT2EbywHPaw/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.computerworld.com%2Farticle%2F3330396%2Fapplication-development%2Fsituation-normal-all-fudged-up.html > > > > ... > > > > -- > Joel C. 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