Yeah, I remember Neon On Sat, May 2, 2020 at 8:55 AM Mike Schwab <mike.a.sch...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yep. They drop the interrupt handling in zIIPs and zAAPs to get full > speed processing. > > Could have checked the chips on the boards. Most S/360 models had > some microcode, only the highest model had all instructions in > hardware. > > On Sat, May 2, 2020 at 4:58 AM Wayne Bickerdike <wayn...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > It's interesting that a zIIP can be described as a "speciality" engine > yet > > the workload they run also run on a CP engine. > > > > I thought that they are the same basically and it's just another way to > > sell a piece of kit and play bait and switch on pricing. > > > > Years ago we had a 9370 and a company in Melbourne we had some support > from > > ran an AS400. Their chief was convinced that the only difference was > > microcode (and price!). > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, May 2, 2020 at 1:28 PM Mike Schwab <mike.a.sch...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > https://www.eweek.com/networking/neon-settles-mainframe-software-lawsuit-with-ibm > > > > > > On Sat, May 2, 2020 at 3:18 AM Steve Beaver <st...@stevebeaver.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Actually they Did in Europe. European courts sided with Neon > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > > > > On May 1, 2020, at 22:07, Steve Smith <sasd...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > No. Neon was a software company. They sold a product called > zPrime > > > that > > > > > allowed unauthorized usage of zIIP and zAAP for almost any kind of > > > > > workload. IBM already runs much of DB2 on zIIP. > > > > > > > > > > IBM only allows code to run on zIIP when you have specific > contracts > > > that > > > > > allow you to for specific things. Neon either violated those, or > more > > > > > likely reverse-engineered it, which is almost certainly a > violation of > > > some > > > > > other contract they were bound to. > > > > > > > > > > I don't know any details, but it's hard for me to see how that Neon > > > thought > > > > > they were going to get away with it. > > > > > > > > > > sas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> On Fri, May 1, 2020 at 8:42 PM Mike Schwab < > mike.a.sch...@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >> Neon was a product to run some DB2 on zAAPs or zIIPs. Only the > > > > >> workload specified by IBM could run on those processors. > > > > >> > > > > >>> On Fri, May 1, 2020 at 5:45 PM Peter Baumann < > peterhbaum...@gmx.ch> > > > wrote: > > > > >>> > > > > >>> In a lawsuit against Neon Enterprise (John Moores) the court > ruled in > > > > >> favor of IBM. They had to take zPrime out of the market. There > was > > > also a > > > > >> permanent injunction issued against Neon. > > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > > > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO > IBM-MAIN > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO > IBM-MAIN > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA > > > Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > > > > > > -- > > Wayne V. Bickerdike > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > -- > Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA > Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- Scott Ford IDMWORKS z/OS Development ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
