I think you can say best practice is on a need to know basis.  This is 
especially important for some industries :)  You really can't say you have a 
security system in place if something else can get there without it going 
through that security system.


Does z/OS *need* to access your disk? (maybe they do if you do backups from 
there)
Does z/VM *need* to access z/OS disks? (we have some isolated volumes that z/OS 
writes and z/VM reads, so yeah, but only on a very limited basis)

Both Richard and Scott are correct (of course!).
We do it at a gen level.  That's most restrictive.  And of course if you are 
doing it with a gen, then by LCU makes most sense or screwing up LPAR access 
lists becomes what easier :)

You have not made mountains.  They do exist :)
Richards performance example is another reason.  VM's i/o characteristics are 
shall we say "less friendly" to replication needs than z/Os is and tracking 
down performance problems are definitely more difficult if more than one o/s is 
hitting your subsystem.

Marcy 

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Of Karl Huf
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Subject: [IBMVM] z/VM & z/OS sharing same DASD

I could have sworn I had seen something about this in a presentation 
regarding "best practices" for configuring z/OS & z/VM LPAR's that share 
the same DASD subsystems but now that I need it, no joy.

We have 2 (z10) CEC's, each with z/VM and z/OS LPAR's attached via FICON 
Directors to a pair of DS8700's.  As currently configured all of the DASD 
is defined on common LCU's and all of the DASD is online to all systems. 
This makes me nervous but perhaps my fears are unfounded?  My gut tells me 
that a better configuration would be having the VM DASD segregated onto 
dedicated LCU's and the rest of the MVS DASD on their own LCU's - and that 
the respective devices not be online to the "foreign" OS's.  Due to other 
recent discoveries we have some DASD reconfiguration work ahead of us 
anyway and, if it's worthwhile, I'd like to pile on with getting the VM 
DASD to be isolated as part of that work - but at the moment I can't 
quantify to those that would do the work why.

Are there good reasons or am I making mountains where there are no 
molehills?  TIA.


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