On Tuesday, 04/12/2011 at 02:50 EDT, David Boyes <dbo...@sinenomine.net> 
wrote:
> >  It's not another "platform" that the vendors will need to certify, 
and
> > so
> > you should expect the same licensing model as if these were standalone
> > BladeCenters.
> 
> Assuming they do not have language in their licenses that prohibit 
running the 
> software in any environment that they do not explicitly have pricing 
models 
> published, eg Microsoft. SAP. Peoplesoft. Oracle. Etc.
> 
> Dave Craig is right: read that fine print. IBM has just triggered the 
next wave 
> of pricing wars.

We're saying the same thing.  My point was that the pricing model should 
not be *different*.  If the vendor doesn't have a pricing model for 
PowerVM or KVM, then I don't expect them to have one for zBX, either. If 
they have it, but don't publish it, then I don't expect that to change 
either.  You call them up, you go out to lunch, there is a piece of paper 
with a number on it that slides across the table,you cross out that 
number, write another one, slide it back, shake hands and part company. 
Simple.  :-)

I've seen recent cases where clients and vendors on System z are circling 
each other warily as they try to hammer out a first-for-the-vendor pricing 
model that is not based on the number of cores dedicated to a server.  The 
whole shared-CPU capacity thing requires a different mindset and technical 
implementation of license controls.  I have no idea what the provisioning 
capabilities will be for System x in the zBX, whether it will be with 
dedicated (a la PowerVM) or shared CPU capacity.

Alan Altmark

z/VM and Linux on System z Consultant
IBM System Lab Services and Training 
ibm.com/systems/services/labservices 
office: 607.429.3323
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