Hello Mike, My problem is that the z/OS people all talk about 'this the way it should be', or 'well, that is not the way it should work'. They live in world at is very constrained compared to z/VM and z/VSE.
Oh and the other that gets me is, 'I don't know that option, I never use it'. Been hearing that one a lot. Ed Martin Aultman Health Foundation 330-363-5050 Ext 35050 -----Original Message----- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU] On Behalf Of Mike Walter Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 4:40 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: WAVV Re: VM Workshop -- Locations Well, Ed. there *is* a very active z/OS program at SHARE. The next SHARE is next week (beginning Sunday evening August 7, at Disneyworld). SHARE is not as cheap as WAVV, nor the VM Workshop, but the education is terrific. I wish my employer had not cut our training budget. Mike Walter Aon Corporation The opinions expressed herein are mine alone, not my employer's. From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU] On Behalf Of Edward M Martin Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 3:23 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: WAVV Re: VM Workshop -- Locations Hello Everyone, Now that I am over to the z/OS side, I wish that the z/OS people had something as good as WAVV. The lectures at WAVV are verbal IBM REDBOOKS. Hands on with people that have actually done the work. Ed Martin Aultman Health Foundation 330-363-5050 Ext 35050 From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU] On Behalf Of Hans Rempel Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 1:35 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: WAVV Re: VM Workshop -- Locations I concur with Bill. I might have shouted louder by bolding "ABSOLUTELY NOT". WAVV has excellent presentations, many IBM presentations are the same and given by the same people that present at SHARE and IBM tech conference. WAVV is not restricted to z/VM and z/LINUX. It also has a third track for z/VSE. See website www.wavv.org WAVV fees are $400 for 3 ½ days of full sessions. Starting Friday evening with SPLASH and finishing Tuesday at noon. I was really hoping to go to the VM workshop this year but the timing, long weekend in CANADA, prevented me. I'm looking forward to attend the VM workshop next year, hopefully in June, but I will still be attending WAVV. Hans From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU] On Behalf Of Bill Munson Sent: August-03-11 1:02 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: WAVV Re: VM Workshop -- Locations ABSOLUTELY NOT WAVV is still going strong munson 201-418-7588 From: Jim Bohnsack <jab...@cornell.edu> To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Date: 08/03/2011 12:52 PM Subject: Re: VM Workshop -- Locations Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System <IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU> ________________________________________ Has the VM Workshop replaced WAVV? Jim On 8/3/2011 12:20 PM, Tom Huegel wrote: > --000e0ce0d6b0d0875404a99c3e9a > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > I was not able to attend this year due to a scheduling conflict. > I was wondering, if it is not a secret, about how many did manage to > attend? > > On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 8:24 AM, Len Diegel<ldie...@aol.com> wrote: > >> ** >> >> If you are interested in location selection, I'd suggest contacting Bill >> Munson to get on next year's committee. You can see from the >> thread, everyone has some thoughts about it. This year's committee met the >> day before the event to discuss next year's options. That's one of the >> reasons it's important to have good representation on the >> committee. Several locations were considered, including some of those >> mentioned here. The list also included Washington State, Michigan State, >> Richmond, Austin, U. of RI, Chicago, Boston, SUNY Binghamton, Penn >> State etc.. This is how we selected OSU for 2011 and it was agreed that we >> should at least consider the following when selecting the next location(s): >> 1.) Inexpensive (relatively speaking) to get there. Not just to the >> airport, but from the airport to the campus. >> 2.) University locations only (non-commercial/corporate) to >> avoid/neutralize conflicts of some sort. >> 3.) Towards the center of the country to avoid losing attendees from the >> opposite coast. >> 4.) Airport relatively close to the campus (like less than 30 minutes if >> possible) >> 5.) Excellent Facilities at a reasonable price. >> >> Each attending committee member had 2 votes (first and second choice). U. >> of Kentucky, OSU, and U. of Nebraska (Omaha campus) took the top 3 votes in >> that order. Bill's 2012 committee is already working on these for next >> year. It's not always possible to get the dates, price, etc, which is >> the reason for the backups. BTW, Rice, UT(Austin), Michigan State, U of >> Arkansas, UMKC, were also on the short list. So plenty of options were on >> the table. >> >> I hope this helps. >> >> Len >> >> >> >> >> In a message dated 8/2/2011 6:11:43 P.M. Central Daylight Time, >> ric...@panix.com writes: >> >> On: Tue, Aug 02, 2011 at 01:44:33PM -0500,David Boyes Wrote: >> >> } University of Wisconsin would be a good choice for next year... Strong VM >> ties (TCP/IP) there too. >> } Madison is one of my favorite places in the US, but it tends to be hard >> to get to cheaply (cheap is a big factor for Workshop). Current discussion >> has University of Kentucky as top candidate, Ohio State again, or University >> of Nebraska, but I'd go to Madison in a heartbeat. Nothing fixed in stone >> yet - we gotta go out and check it out -but UK did some awesome Workshops in >> the past. Those folks know how to throw a party - the BBQ at the last one >> was legendary. >> } In order not to derail this list, I'd strongly encourage anyone who's >> interested in VM Workshop to sign up for the VMWKSHOP mailing list (at >> vm.marist.edu). Better yet, volunteer! Gets you free shirt, first shot at >> the beer, fame... well, at least for lots of tech dudes. 8-) >> >> Please also consider furthur south so I could go. Mabe Orlando. Is >> there a VM using school in south Florida? >> >> -- >> Rich Greenberg Sarasota, FL, USA richgr atsign panix.com + 1 941 378 >> 2097 >> Eastern time. N6LRT I speak for myself& my dogs only. VM'er since >> CP-67 >> Canines: Val, Red, Shasta, Zero& Casey (At the bridge) >> Owner:Chinook-L >> Canines: Red& Cinnar (Siberians) Retired at the beach Asst >> Owner:Sibernet-L >> >> > --000e0ce0d6b0d0875404a99c3e9a > Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > <div>I was not able to attend this year due to a scheduling conflict.</div> > <div>I was wondering, if it is not a secret, about how many did manage to a= > ttend?=A0<br><br></div> > <div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 8:24 AM, Len Diegel<span= > dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:ldie...@aol.com";>ldie...@aol.com</a>>= > </span> wrote:<br> > <blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex= > ; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote"><u></u> > <div style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><font co= > lor=3D"#000000" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"> > <div>=A0</div> > <div>If you are interested in location selection, I'd suggest contactin= > g Bill Munson to get on next year's committee.=A0 You can see from the = > thread,=A0everyone has some thoughts about it.=A0 This year's=A0committ= > ee met the day before the event to discuss next year's options.=A0 That= > 's one of the reasons it's important to have good representation on= > the committee.=A0=A0Several locations were considered, including some of t= > hose mentioned here. The list also=A0included Washington State, Michigan St= > ate, Richmond, Austin, U. of RI,=A0Chicago, Boston, SUNY Binghamton, Penn S= > tate=A0etc..=A0This is how we selected OSU for=A02011 and it was agreed tha= > t we should at least consider the following when selecting the next locatio= > n(s):</div> > > <div>1.)=A0 Inexpensive (relatively speaking) to get there.=A0 Not just to = > the airport, but=A0from the airport to=A0the campus.</div> > <div>2.)=A0 University locations only (non-commercial/corporate) to avoid/n= > eutralize conflicts of some sort.</div> > <div>3.)=A0 Towards the center of the country to avoid losing attendees fro= > m the opposite coast.</div> > <div>4.)=A0 Airport relatively close to the campus=A0=A0(like less than 30 = > minutes if possible)</div> > <div>5.)=A0 Excellent Facilities at a reasonable price.</div> > <div>=A0</div> > <div>Each attending committee member had 2 votes (first and second choice).= > =A0 =A0U. of Kentucky, OSU, and U. of Nebraska (Omaha campus) took the top = > 3 votes in that order.=A0=A0Bill's 2012 committee=A0is already working = > on these for next year.=A0 It's not always possible to get the=A0dates,= > price, etc, which is the=A0reason for the backups.=A0 BTW, =A0Rice, UT(Aus= > tin), Michigan State, U of Arkansas, UMKC,=A0were also on the short list.= > =A0=A0So plenty of options were on the table.=A0</div> > > <div>=A0</div> > <div>I hope this helps.</div> > <div>=A0</div> > <div>Len</div> > <div>=A0</div> > <div>=A0</div> > <div>=A0</div> > <div>=A0</div> > <div> > <div>In a message dated 8/2/2011 6:11:43 P.M. Central Daylight Time,<a hre= > f=3D"mailto:ric...@panix.com"; target=3D"_blank">ric...@panix.com</a> writes= > :</div> > <blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN= > -LEFT: 5px"><font style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" color=3D"#000000"= > size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">On: Tue, Aug 02, 2011 at 01:44:33PM -0500,David = > Boyes Wrote:<br> > <br>} University of Wisconsin would be a good choice for next year... Stron= > g VM ties (TCP/IP) there too.<br>} Madison is one of my favorite places in = > the US, but it tends to be hard to get to cheaply (cheap is a big factor fo= > r Workshop). Current discussion has University of Kentucky as top candidate= > , Ohio State again, or University of Nebraska, but I'd go to Madison in= > a heartbeat. Nothing fixed in stone yet - we gotta go out and check it out= > -but UK did some awesome Workshops in the past.=A0 Those folks know how to= > throw a party - the BBQ at the last one was legendary.<br> > } In order not to derail this list, I'd strongly encourage anyone who&#= > 39;s interested in VM Workshop to sign up for the VMWKSHOP mailing list (at= > <a href=3D"http://vm.marist.edu/"; target=3D"_blank">vm.marist.edu</a>). Be= > tter yet, volunteer! Gets you free shirt, first shot at the beer, fame... w= > ell, at least for lots of tech dudes. 8-)<br> > <br>Please also consider furthur south so I could go.=A0 Mabe Orlando.=A0 I= > s<br>there a VM using school in south Florida?<br><br>-- <br>Rich Greenberg= > =A0 Sarasota, FL, USA richgr atsign<a href=3D"http://panix.com/"; target=3D= > "_blank">panix.com</a>=A0 + 1<a href=3D"tel:941%20378%202097" target=3D"_b= > lank" value=3D"+19413782097">941 378 2097</a><br> > Eastern time.=A0 N6LRT=A0 I speak for myself& my dogs only.=A0 =A0 VM&= > #39;er since CP-67<br>Canines: Val, Red, Shasta, Zero& Casey (At the b= > ridge)=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Owner:Chinook-L<br>Canines: Red& Cinnar (Siberia= > ns)=A0 Retired at the beach=A0 Asst Owner:Sibernet-L<br> > </font></blockquote></div></font></div></blockquote></div><br> > > --000e0ce0d6b0d0875404a99c3e9a-- -- James Bohnsack (972) 596-6377 home/office (972) 342-5823 cell *************************** IMPORTANT NOTE*****************************-- The opinions expressed in this message and/or any attachments are those of the author and not necessarily those of Brown Brothers Harriman & Co., its subsidiaries and affiliates ("BBH"). 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