Mike, As of Saturday I will also be a 71 year old grumpy coach and I agree with your concerns with redirecting donated trophies. When the true purpose for which a trophy was created has passed, so should the trophy. After all, it wasn't that a trophy was brought into existence for it's own sake. There was an original purpose. If there is no longer the purpose, the trophy should be retired. If we polled our current crop of sailors, how many would know who Arthur Knapp was? I'm going to ask my team just out of curiosity. My favorite quote from Arthur is, "How do you win races? Take the start and improve your position." It is my repetition of that quote that may be my team's only reminder of one of sailing's greats. Best regards, Dan Winters In a message dated 3/29/2010 7:49:26 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes:
All, This is a rumination from a grumpy old coach. I find it inappropriate that the Arthur Knapp Trophy is now presented to the highest placed service academy finisher in the Eastern Old Guard Trophy regatta. The Knapp Trophy was established for competition amongst Harvard, Yale, and Princeton. It may no longer seem relevant in the current scheme of ICSA competition, but, if so, the trophy should simply be retired. It honors one of the early great college sailors, three time winner of the Oliver May Cup, predecessor to the McMillan Cup. Knapp sailed for Princeton, and Harvard and Yale joined with Princeton in promoting college sailing in its earliest years. The Knapp Trophy used to stand alone and later was contested concurrently with the Mosbacher Trophy, which happens to honor another early college sailing great. Rolling the Knapp and Mosbacher into one with the Owen just should not be done. In the last few years, more and more trophies with historic significance have had their conditions altered. I would suggest that this practice ought to be curtailed. Were there accurate records of deeds of gift - for most trophies were donated by individuals - such changes would be seen clearly to violate those deeds. Again, the proper approach would be to establish new trophies for events with new formats and retire the old. Mike Horn -------------------------------------------------- From: "Mollicone, John" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 7:26 PM To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Subject: [NEISA] Old Guard Trophy @ Brown - Final Results > Old Guard Trophy @ Brown > for the Owen, Mosbacher, and Knapp Trophies > March 27-28, 2010 > > Saturday: > A cold but sunny day with temps in the low 40's and a dying N/NE breeze to > start the day. One set in each division in the N/NE wind at 4-12 knots. > Two abandoned races in sketchy conditions with lots of time waiting for > the breeze to stabilize. More than a two hour delay on land as we waited > for the seabreeze to fill in at around 4pm. One more set in each division > from 4pm-til 6pm in a southerly at 7-10 knots. All courses were > windward/leewards with an offset and gates. No protests or breakdowns. > > Sunday: > Another very cold day but with great breeze from S/SE at 12-16 knots. 8 > races sailed in each division on windward/leeward courses. No protests or > breakdowns. > > A huge thanks to our judges Kim Hapgood and Ted Green. Thanks as well to > the Brown sailors who helped out: > Tommy Fink '13, Tucker Adams '11, Evan Gill '12, Jessica Claflin '13, and > Brent Lunghino '12, Niki Osvalds '11, and Jacob Tower '11. > > Yale wins the Owen (Overall winner) and Mosbacher (Top Ivy League school) > Trophies over Brown. The USMMA-King's Point wins the Knapp Trophy as the > top service academy in sixth overall. Final Results can be found at > http://regatta.mit.edu/s10/old-guard/ > <http://regatta.mit.edu/s10/old-guard/> > > John Mollicone > Head Sailing Coach > Brown University > [email protected] > phone 401-413-1439 > > > > > ________________________________________________ > neisa mailing list > [email protected] > http://www.collegesailing.org/mailman/?listname=neisa > Unsubscribe: Send a blank email to [email protected] > ________________________________________________ icsa mailing list [email protected] http://www.collegesailing.org/mailman/?listname=icsa Unsubscribe: Send a blank email to [email protected] ________________________________________________ icsa mailing list [email protected] http://www.collegesailing.org/mailman/?listname=icsa Unsubscribe: Send a blank email to [email protected]
