> The attitude being promulgated by the majority of these posts,
> whether justified or not, is most likely to lead (IMO)
> to IETF meetings populated by two distinct groups of people:
> 
> 1) Old timers
> 2) The clueless masses

in my experience, clueful newbies are quite welcome at IETF, and
very quickly get recruited to do useful work. 

but I do agree that to the extent we try to discourage clueless
folks from coming, we need to make sure that we don't filter out
clueful people in the process.

keith

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