At 02:19 PM 12/14/00 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>I haven't decided which of the four NAT should be blamed on.

let's be fair. There was an excellent reason for NAT at the time. Postel 
suggested that private address spaces could be used rather than assigning 
precious IP Address space to networks that had no intention of attaching to 
the network, and NATs wound up being a way to couple that with topological 
address space management to try it out. We knew it was a short term hack at 
the time, and many of us still think that.

As Yakov is prone to point out, in a perfect world wherein all applications 
are client/server and address space is uniformly available, there are 
enough addresses around so that NATs are all we need. There are a few problems:

         - the world is not perfect
         - all applications are not client/server
         - address space is not uniformly available

Hence, NATs don't solve every problem.

The reference to IPv6 is interesting. Up until a year ago, I didn't 
particular push IPv6 as a solution. Reason: it wasn't in anybody's 
operational game plan. IPv6 had a serious chicken/egg problem - numerous 
people wanted to be the second to deploy it, but nobody wanted to be first, 
and vendors generally didn't see the point in implementing it apart from 
somebody waving cash to buy it. As a proposal, it solved some interesting 
things, like more bits in the address, better autoconfiguration, more 
scalable mobility, more efficient VJ Header Compression, re-introduces the 
end to end model so we can support non-client/server applications well, and 
so on. However, being "good" isn't enough unless is it "good enough to 
deploy" - good enough to replace the old stuff, or good. When 3G put the 
proposal on the table, it became viable. At the moment, globally, we have 
perhaps half a dozen to a dozen commercial networks running IPv6 and 
upwards of 50 research networks. That's an insignificant dent in the great 
wide Internet, but it is not "nothing" either. We have some pretty large 
countries that have stated an intention to move in that direction. Now that 
folks have the opportunity to be second - someone else has gone first - 
anyone who is having trouble getting addresses from a registry is thinking 
seriously about IPv6.

In short, things had to get worse before they could get better.

We'll see where things go, but whatever my opinions on IPv6 are (and I am 
on record as saying it isn't all we might have liked it to be, my voice 
being one among many), I am not at all convinced that it is a washout.



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