--On Monday, March 18, 2002 15:59 +0000 Paul Robinson 
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> In addition, I still find it amazing that people are justifying costs due
> to  the number of breakfasts and cookies being served. The word
> 'ludicrous' is  overused on this list, but I think I've found a situation
> it applies to -  please, ask yourself whether the cookies are really
> needed. :-)

Yes, they are - serious brain food is necessary.  Breakfast on-site makes 
it possible for folks to meet and talk before the meeting starts; afternoon 
coffee and cookies help keep you awake because you were meeting late into 
the night the night before, and also provide another venue where you can 
meet and talk about things.

For those on a limited budget, it's also just about possible to survive on 
"pre-paid" food and dinner, cutting out the costs associated with lunch. 
(Thanks again to those folks that bought me lunches in SLC.)

> Actually, like I suggested in my previous mail, I suspect that certain
> individuals involved with the IETF are quite happy with hob-nobbing with
> the big multi-nationals and don't give a damn what lone consulants and
> developers who actually have to deploy the technologies think,

I'll admit that it does sometimes feel that way and that as an individual 
it becomes very hard to be involved (I'd echo some of Graham Klyne's 
comments here).

> and I'm
> beginning to strongly suspect that if all individual participants crawled
> under a rock and never showed any further interest in the IETF, many
> people would break open the champagne. Shame really. Ho-hum.

I don't quite get that feeling, but I think it's something that needs to be 
considered.

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