On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 18:43:23 EDT, Dean Anderson said: > > > Mr. Vixie's obvious malice for Av8 Internet is plain to see, > > As is the fact that the feelings appear to be mutual....
One never appreciates being publicly disparaged, defamed, or harrassed, but it is incorrect to assume that just because I have been attacked, that I harbor malice for that person. Rather, I feel sorry for someone who is presumably in his 40's and resorts to name-calling. Such unsocialization or immaturity must be debilitating. I pray for them. This does not mean that I will silently accept such treatment, nor does it mean I will not assert my rights and privileges to object to such treatment. Besids Mr. Vixie's on-list comments, there is his involvement in the defamatory and misleading statements about Av8 Internet's IP address space. Long ago, and for other reasons, I came to believe that defamation results in a short term loss for the defamed and a short term gain for the defamer, but a long term gain for the defamed and a long term loss for the defamer. Lies are always exposed as lies and liars are always exposed as liars. This is particularly appropriate as the UN meets today to discuss anti-semitism, which is also spread by defamation. The defamed may be saddened and harmed while being defamed, but have solace in the fact that history will eventually right the wrong: It always has. It always will. This doesn't mean one should be complacent. Everyone should stand up to stop defamation. I have made efforts to make my criticisms professional and accurate, and not to allow myself to degenerate into name-calling. Persons who behave badly and call other people names deserve criticism. While everyone may be fallible from time to time in overheated discussion, some people seem to have no control or compuction whatsoever. I have tried to make sure that my criticisms meet the standard of cool and detached professionalism. Mr. Vixie's comments ("loons", "trolls", "dv8", "least technical person on the list" do not meet that standard. But I note that you have not amoung those who have posted messages calling for Mr. Vixie to "take a break" before calling other people names. Is it that you have become accustomed to his behavior or do you hold me to a different standard? > > services to customers. However, it is unclear what Mr. Vixie's expertise > > is actually in, other than name-calling, and making disparaging > > alterations on another companies trademarks. I have seen little else. > > Pot. Kettle. Black. Not exactly. Questioning someone's expertise is quite a bit different than declaring someone else to be "the least technical person on the list". I did the former, Mr. Vixie did the latter. The former is reasonable and appropriate, the latter isn't. Questioning Mr. Vixie's expertise is not unreasonable nor inappropriate in the light of his last several disparaging remarks not only about myself and subsequently my company, and also Mr. Vixies inappropriate name-calling of other people. I note that the Chair has also failed to chastise these other inappropriate comments by Mr. Vixie. I am aware of Mr. Vixie's past involvement in DNS and his operation of a Root nameserver, yet just recently he diverted attention from genuine questions raised by several people about Root Anycast to a personal attack on several of the participants. This does not seem to be appropriate for a trusted person in DNS or Root server operations, and leads to questions about professionalism, responsibility, maturity, and and ultimately, trust in his expertise in that area. The name-calling raises further questions about whether we can trust Mr. Vixie's assurances. This is also not a personal attack: Such questions are valid, have been raised by several people, and have gone unanswered except for name-calling. Dean Anderson Av8 Internet, Inc =================== Date: 19 May 2004 22:16:36 +0000 From: Paul Vixie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Root Anycast there are two things that i think it's important that everybody understand. first, anyone who posts from roll accounts like "[EMAIL PROTECTED] (jfcm)" tends to be dismissed as a troll. second, anyone who seriously uses the term "legacy DNS root" tends to be dismissed as a loon. i now return control of your television set to the loons and trolls... -- Paul Vixie _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf