Sorry, I wasn't trying to suggest a bad faith situation, just reacting to your WORDING :-)
I agree that hotel prices have risen and that isn't limited to the venues under consideration by the IETF. NANOG and APRICOT hotel rates have gone up as have other meeting hotel rates, and certainly the hotels I stay in as an individual have gone up a LOT in, say, the last ten years, and that's not even accounting for the currency changes. I have a couple of "favorite" hotels that have have gone from "under 100" (for values of Euros, Pounds, Dollars, other kinds of dollars) to "well above 200" in that timeframe. I think the only way to get HQ hotel rates down is to go to the sort of places that the IETF seems to not want to go. One of the cheapest places to fly to in the world is Las Vegas. You can also get really good hotel rates there, group or individual. Since I went to Las Vegas every year for 10+ years and basically did nothing but attend a conference and tradeshow *I* have no problem going back and would certainly consider it an option, but I certainly don't love it and wouldn't care if I ever set foot there again, and I know for a fact that many on this list feel the same way. The University Campus, or maybe "University Conference Center" idea is worth exploring, such places do exist (in Atlanta for example), but, as others have pointed out, we need to clearly define what the goal is here and recognize that there are some incompatible requirements. Ole Ole J. Jacobsen Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal Cisco Systems Tel: +1 408-527-8972 Mobile: +1 415-370-4628 E-mail: o...@cisco.com URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj Skype: organdemo On Wed, 24 Aug 2011, Stephen Farrell wrote: > > > On 08/24/2011 11:07 PM, Ole Jacobsen wrote: > > > > "....doesn't look that good in terms of iaoc performance over time." > > > > Are you seriously suggesting that we are looking for more and more > > expensive venues over time? > > No. And obviously not. I don't see how it helps to suggest > that either. > > > Do you not think there might be some > > factors such as inflation, currency fluctuations, general cost > > increases (oil prices perhaps) that dictate most of this? > > Inflation is accounted for in the figures given. We're > still >20% above inflation in terms of hotel prices based > on these figures. > > You might claim hotel price inflation is higher than the > overall, I don't know. I would hope the iaoc would know > that. What I'm claiming is that the numbers seem to me > to show that the outcome is not so good. And hence it seems > to me that the iaoc is not performing that well in this respect. > > You might bring out the meeting fee argument etc. but I > think you (the iaoc as a group) should start by acknowledging > that there is a real issue here and then try to address > that and *not* argue I'm accusing you of bad faith or > something. > > S. > > > > > > Ole > > > > Ole J. Jacobsen > > Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal > > Cisco Systems > > Tel: +1 408-527-8972 Mobile: +1 415-370-4628 > > E-mail: o...@cisco.com URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj > > Skype: organdemo > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
