On Wednesday, September 05, 2012 08:54:36 AM Vinayak Hegde wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 3:49 AM, John Levine <jo...@taugh.com> wrote:
> >> This discussion of DMCA is useful to me as a non-US resident.
> >> 
> >> Are we sure that the boilerplate included in I-Ds does not constitute a
> >> statement by the authors that they have not, as far as they are aware,
> >> infringed any copyright? In other words, isn't the boilerplate a
> >> pre-emptive counternotice?
> > 
> > It's not, and even if it were, would you want to find out
> > retroactively that you've agreed to pay the IETF's legal expenses if
> > someone sues about an I-D you posted?.  For more information, please
> > see this link in the message you just sent.
> > 
> >>> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_Copyright_Infringement_Liability_Li
> >>> mita$> 
> > I agree with Elliott that we need a reasonable DMCA policy, keeping in
> > mind that it's pretty rare for a document, particularly a non-archival
> > one, to be worth the hassle of fighting a DMCA notice.  Fighting the
> > TZ takedown was absolutely worth it, but it was unusual in the
> > material attacked was of high value, and the basis for the notice was
> > unusually bogus.  Even so, someone had to pay for lawyers to prepare
> > the briefs and appear in court, and I wouldn't want the IETF to
> > promise to do that casually.
> 
> Also it might be useful for the submitter to sign (rather tick a
> tickbox/radio button) an indemnification clause for the IETF before
> submitting an I-D.

That would be an excellent way to ensure I never submitted an I.D. again.

Scott K

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