Hey Raj
 I went thru the link.
It was quite interesting :-)
We should propogate the word
Paul Ashton (of Samba fame). Paul was the one who told me in January that
when I purchase a laptop I should read the Microsoft Licence Agreement, and
take note of the bit about a refund. 

This would educate people of the MS policies.

-MG

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Raju Mathur [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 8:36 PM
> To: multiple recipients of
> Subject: Re: [ilugd]: laptop without windoze
> 
> 
> >>>>> "LL" == linuxlingam  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
>     LL> On Friday 27 September 2002 01:25 pm, you wrote:
>     >> L,
>     >> 
>     >> This is quite normal.  I have never used the joystick port
>     >> behind any of the PCs I have owned, yet no one ever offered me
>     >> a discount if I took a machine without it.  Their costs do not
>     >> go down, which is why, if you do not accept their EULA, they
>     >> will refund what you paid for the Windows Licence.  Show them
>     >> the line on the Invoice that says "MS Windows XP Home - Rs
>     >> 7500", they will honour (perhaps).
> 
> The first person to try this and succeed (at least on the 'net) was an
> Australian who got a refund from Toshiba for Winduhs on his laptop to
> the best of my knowledge.  Read all about it here:
> 
> http://www.netcraft.com.au/geoffrey/toshiba.html
> 
> Since then there have been a slew of people returning Winduhs software
> boxes unopened and getting refunds for the software from their
> vendors.
> 
> The important thing to do here is:
> 
> 1. Do not ever boot Winduhs on the machine, not even for the first
> time.  If you do, you have used it and are then bound by the EULA.
> Simplest thing to do is to have a Linux install CD in the drive and
> the boot sequence set to CD-HDD-Diskette when you switch the machine
> on for the first time.  Zap Winduhs, install your favourite flavour of
> Linux (or favourite 10 flavours if you're eclectic) and send me 10% of
> the refund you receive from the dealer ;-)
> 
> 2. Do not open the shrink-wrapped Winduhs box.  Opening it is also
> implicit acceptance of the EULA.
> 
> It doesn't matter whether you do this right at the dealer's premises
> or at home: just state that you have not booted Winduhs and return the
> shrink-wrapped software box unopened, and the dealer is legally liable
> to give you a refund on Winduhs.  After all, it's that EULA which can
> get you into jail if you don't honour it, isn't it?
> 
> Other useful links:
> 
> Windows Refund Center Home Page:
> http://www.linuxmall.com/refund/
> 
> Google :)
> http://www.google.com/search?q=linux%20eula%20refund%20windows
> 
> A rather funny account of a group of people who tried to get into the
> MS offices to get their refunds from them:
> 
> http://marc.merlins.org/linux/refundday/
> 
> Regards,
> 
> -- Raju
> 
>     LL> they sounded rather confused on whether they wish to even
>     LL> honour a refund fee. am still looking for that clear,
>     LL> voice-from-heaven from branded vendors, who clearly mention in
>     LL> their ads, or their salestalk, or to customer queries "yes, if
>     LL> you do not accept the eula, we will honour the refund. here's
>     LL> a photocopy of a check given to a customer as proof." or
>     LL> something similar.
> 
>     LL> if they could mention this in their ads, would be even sexier
>     LL> "/microsoft/piracy/howtotell.html" we also ship / refund
>     LL> windoze against a gnulinux installation:
>     LL> /gnu/piracy/gotohell.html"
> 
>     LL> so in the meantime, if ilugd guyz could ask vendors, get
>     LL> quotations from them, and we could compile a list of vendors
>     LL> who are willing to refund, or to ship boxes with gnulinux
>     LL> pre-installed, it would be a major service to endusers and
>     LL> customers.
> 
> -- 
> Raju Mathur               [EMAIL PROTECTED]      
http://kandalaya.org/
                      It is the mind that moves

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