Cal stated a very important point from an administrative sense.
If anyone is installing IMail 6.X on a production based server at the
moment, your crazy! As a software developer myself I am no stranger to
newly released software. When you take an existing product and tweak it to
add/subtract/improve features...it almost always breaks in some shape or
form. It's the nature of programming.
<soapbox>
Testing, no matter how extensive, will NOT reveal all the bugs in a product.
There are always bound to be more found once it is released to the public.
We can all cry about it saying how unfair it is....or we can provide
*CONSTRUCTIVE* criticism to fix a possible bug that is found. If we call
Ipswitch lousy programmers, do you think that will motivate any immediate
action? If you think the product is lousy then don't run it in a production
environment(or at all).
Personally, my company runs Exchange 5.5 at all our locations and I find
IMail pretty darn equal to it! I much prefer to work with IMail than any
other mail server product I have worked with in the past and I plan to stick
with them through the good times AND the bad times.
</soapbox>
Scott Pouliot
Webmaster - Motocross.com
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Joe Wolf /
CompuSystems, Inc.
Sent: Monday, December 27, 1999 11:43 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] Programmers ;-)
I don't like the 'whining' either, but the bottom line is that many of us
here make a living off of the products we buy from Ipswitch. It is
inexcusable for Ipswitch to release a "mail server" with POP3 not working
correctly.
I think Ipswitch owes us two things... first an immediate FIX to IMail 6.0x
that works, and secondly a big apology for releasing such a product.
We can go on and on here about this being a technical forum, but we can't
fix the basic flaws in the program. Ipswitch has to do that, but we have no
forum to let them know how we feel. It would be nice if Ipswitch would at
least let us know what's going on!
Joe Wolf
CompuSystems
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cal Frye" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, December 27, 1999 9:48 AM
Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] Programmers ;-)
> I'm getting tired of this exchange, mostly 'cause of the tone of voice.
> Please, can we keep it professional?
>
> 1) Mr. Van de Heyning has a point, this is a major release which perhaps
> came out a bit too quickly. Maybe a solid 5.5 would have been a better
> intermediate step.
>
> 2) Mr. Fritts is correct, programmers are not different than anyone else,
in
> that none of us respond well to whining and invective. Some major changes
> have been made, and problems have been quickly acknowledged and addressed.
> Further, systems vary. The history of this list shows that for every
problem
> reported, there is someone out there (luck of the gods, perhaps) who has
> never seen it. If all else fails, re-apply your NT service packs....
>
> 3) If you can't stand the heat, why jump into the kitchen? Personally, I
> never install software versions that end in zero, period. And from
> Microsoft, I never install a product until version 3.1 or better (anybody
> but me remember Windows 1.0?) I hope those are test servers you're all
> working on.
>
> 4) This week I am finally taking our 4.07 installation and moving to a new
> server. We plan to go to 5.08, then wait for 6 to settle down a bit. Last
> year's version is good enough for us, for almost everything but virus
> scanners ;-)
>
> --Cal Frye, Western Reserve Academy, Hudson, Ohio
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Luk Van de
> Heyning
> Sent: Monday, December 27, 1999 9:42 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [IMail Forum] Programmers ;-)
>
>
> In response to Mr. Fritts message (see below) I would answer this:
>
> I'm known to be "a very annoying person" . . . . . 'Nuf said.
>
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