This is my last post on this topic. Despite the personal attacks I've
received in the last 24 hours - on and off this list - I will let my earlier
statements stand for themselves. They represent the truth as I see it.
Everyone seems to assume that I was the only one working on these Exchange
deployments, and that I must be incompetent if they didn't work properly.
This assumption couldn't be further from the truth, but if that's what you
all want to believe, go ahead... it gives me a good laugh when I get flamed
by people who know nothing of me, or the companies for which I've worked.
The purpose of my original post was to answer the question of another
poster, who asked for reasons why he should argue for IMail over Exchange in
his particular situation. I gave him my reasons. If they offended some of
you - as they obviously offended Walt Brannon and a few others - then too
bad. Deal with it. My experiences are my own, and I have no obligation to
"prove" or "explain" them to any of you.
For those of you MS puppets who wish to continue flaming me, please feel
free to do so, but keep it off the list. The original question that was
posted has, in my view, been asked and answered sufficiently.
Cheers!
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Jordan Dorf
President/CEO
TeraLynx Consulting Partners, LLC
http://www.teralynx.net
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on 2/13/00 9:01 PM, Mark McDonald at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Jordan,
>
> I don't know how you configure your machines, our exchange server
> services over 4000 customers, with ETRN, POP3, IMAP, Outlook Web Access and
> handles web site emails. We haven't rebooted that machine in over a year
> with absolutely no problems. The message store is over 400GB and performs
> great on a Dual Processor Xeon machine.
>
> Exchange server does "work" excellent when setup correctly.
>
> -Mark McDonald
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jordan Dorf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2000 8:23 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] Imail vs. Exchange
>
>
> Geez, this crap almost sounds like it came straight from the MS web site!
> "Far more than a better way of doing e-mail"? What planet are you from?
>
> For those who still care, here's a more objective "bottom line":
>
> I've deployed both IMail and Exchange (5.0 and 5.5 on the latter), and I can
> tell you from experience that Exchange doesn't live up to its claims.
>
> In particular, from what I've seen, smaller organizations - which I define
> as 1000 users or under - can benefit a lot more from an in-house IMail
> server and any one of the free calendar, collaboration, etc. services that
> are offered by various Web sites. There are so many of these "groupware"
> products being offered for free these days, it's hardly worthwhile to take
> them all in-house, especially when they cause your mail server to choke.
>
> Now, before you MS robot-puppets start flaming me, I should let you know
> that in my former life, working for a Fortune 100 telco, I did many more
> Exchange deployments that IMail deployments. In fact, I only came to IMail
> when I started my own company. What I've found, when comparing the two
> SIDE-BY-SIDE, on IDENTICAL MACHINES, is that:
>
> * Exchange takes far longer to reboot, and to recover from service failures;
> * Exchange needs to be rebooted more often;
> * Exchange needs a dedicated, trained IS staff for it to work consistently;
> * MS support is crap, and they routinely deny that their products are the
> cause of whatever issue you're having;
> * Just about anyone can install and configure an IMail server in less than
> an hour; and
> * After extensive training, most MCSEs still can't manage to install and
> configure an Exchange server that doesn't fail repeatedly.
>
> Now, make no mistake about it... if you want to wrap IMail in a groupware
> solution, you'll have to get some additional products, and you'll have to do
> a bunch of custom programming. If you're up to the challenge, perhaps you -
> unlike the folks in Redmond, WA - can create a system that works.
>
> There's my 2 cents... don't spend it all in one place.
>
> --
> ***********************************
> Jordan Dorf
> President/CEO
> TeraLynx Consulting Partners, LLC
> http://www.teralynx.net
> ***********************************
>
>
>
> on 2/13/00 8:21 AM, Walt Brannon at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> Here is the bottom line. Groupware is coming. Exchange is far more than
>> just a better way of doing e-mail. For an in-house solution where most
> users
>> can connect via the MAPI connector the power of scheduling meetings,
> shared
>> calendars, public folders for subscription to discussion lists, server
> side
>> rules that fire when the client is not running, rule based
> auto-responders,
>> (also server side), taks assignment and tracking, programmable forms using
>> VB script, work-flow with pre-determined routing, multiple servers per
> site
>> with directory replication, Outlook Web Access with most of these features
>> via web (Much more coming via Exchange2000 now in beta)... and the list
> goes
>> on. on top of this, you can use POP and IMAP for clients on a dial up.
>>
>> If set-up and run correctly, Exchange 5.5 is rock solid. For ISP's hosting
>> lots of domains that need listserver features, IMail is still a winner...
>>
>> Walt
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Dale Chavez
>>> Sent: Friday, February 11, 2000 2:02 PM
>>> To: Imail Forum
>>> Subject: [IMail Forum] Imail vs. Exchange
>>>
>>>
>>> I know this might seem obvious to most, but I'm putting together a
>>> justification for the continued use of Imail as our corporate email
>>> solution. I'm getting pressure to use Exchange Server for our corporate
>>> email solution because of features such as group calendars, scalability,
>>> security, admin wizards, directory replication, collaboration tools,
>>> etc. Granted, I'm comparing apples to oranges here, but I don't feel
>>> that having ~150 users justifies not only the cost, but the ongoing
>>> maintenance and support that Exchange will require.
>>>
>>> Are there any other obvious points that I can make in my defense?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Dale
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