>The trouble with the Staples list is that some users on any given system may
>have subscribed. In fact, they may have subscribed and forgotten... in that
>case, the contract between the parties was in place.

Then that falls outside UNsolicited CE.  I am willing to work with my 
clients to except false positives, but not willing to waste my time 
accepting and manually looking at every piece of suspect junk in case we 
might have a false positives.   The VAST majority of crap we reject is 
CRAP.  And I'm hoping to get better at it with Microneil's sniffer.  :))

>Consider the scenario... Some users on your system are subscribed to the
>list.

That's not solicited CE.

>Some other user on your system becomes subscribed

hmm, that's UNsolicited

>  and does not wish to
>be - let's assume through legitimate means for the sake of argument.

ok, just because it's the Sabbath, don't go get too rabbinical on this! :))

>  The
>unhappy subscriber complains that this is spam, and you add a filter to
>remove the content.

no, you tell the unwilling subscriber to go get unsubscribed.  If Staples 
newsletter is legit, then Staples newsletter accepts unsubscribes, end of 
story.

If Staples refuses the unsubscribe request, then Staples is an illegimate 
spammer, breaking DMA rules, and will be blocked as abusive of my 
client.  Then the willing subuscribers can go take it up Staples to fix 
their unwilling unsubscribe process.

btw, the DMA has policies, even some announcement this week, about the 
rules for direct email marketing.

>Suddenly all of the other legitimate subscribers are
>blocked without notice or recourse... the only way they know they are
>blocked is that they stop getting their news letter.

This situation will resolve itself.  The unwilling subscriber is being 
spammed, Staples is refusing the unsubscribe request, so they are 
rejected.  Staples will fix THEIR problem, or Staples continues abusing my 
clients, and will stay blocked.

>Now the Staples scenario may be too trivial... but suppose the situation is
>altered a bit. Suppose the legitimate subscribers are receiving an
>investment newsletter about their portfolio. Suppose the unhappy subscriber
>gets a pump-and-dump spam and complains, then suppose that your new rule
>somehow blocks the legitimate investment news letter because they appear
>identical.

false positives happen.

>  Next day, the legitimate newsletter advises it's subscribers to
>drop Enron just in time for them to save millions... but they never get that
>newsletter.

People should be told, as part of TOS/AUP, that email is insecure ("like a 
postcard"), unreliable ("like a postcard"), will have its headers and 
contents scanned (ie, "opened and read" by your mail system) for possible 
violation of your TOS/AUP (which your clients have agreed to) and for 
dangerous content (infections), and will be rejected if found in 
violation.  If the prospect disagrees, they take their custom elsewhere.

(btw, if the day-trading suckers (I read where the vast majority are 
losers) are gambling their money on email/postcard tips, then get what they 
deserve.)

Is the USPS liable for your stock market losses if an (un)registered stock 
tip letter arrives a day late, or not at all?

Len


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