In echo to this I have to put my 2 cents in. Yes, once the mail leaves the
server on its way to the destination, its all clear text, however, the
reason SSL is used on a mail server is more of a security issue with people
sniffing and gaining access to the owners mail account. 

For example: If I am able to sniff packets between a client and the server
and gain the account name and password I could send an e-mail to whom ever I
wanted, I'm sure I don’t have to explain the secret services thoughts on
sending bad mail to the President (arrest now, question later, we had this
happen at an ISP I used to work at).

Now if the client was attached via SSL to the server, then I'd have a tough
time (it wouldn’t be worth it) trying to figure out the password.

There is no such thing as a secure e-mail. The general rule I tell people
when asked if their computer is safe from viruses and hacking is "If your
computer is connected to the internet, then no"
Scott

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bruce Barnes
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 6:27 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] SSL Questions

Not to throw water on this conversation, but SSL certificates installed on
any e-mail server situation are really a mute point - they are basically
useless.

Remember, the SSL certificate is only going to encrypt the data between the
originators client and the e-mail host.  Once the e-mail is sent to the host
to be delivered to the intended recipient, it still goes as CLEAR TEXT,
without any encryption when it leaves the server from which it was sent and
can be read by anyone who is cleaver enough to capture the date packets that
actually transmit the data.

While this is rather difficult to do, it is not impossible and is commonly
used by hackers to capture data in their attempts to crack networks, steal
user accounts, steal passwords and gain access to data that is otherwise not
intended for their eyes.

Unless your network is on a PRIVATE NETWORK and the e-mail servers that are
used for communications within the company are completely isolated and
inaccessible from and to the public internet, spending money to purchase any
kind of an SSL certificate for e-mail makes no sense whatsoever.

The more viable option is to use a public/private key option and send any
sensitive material using private key encryption technology.  While even this
is not completely perfect, it is much more secure than using an SSL
certificate to send messages.

Bruce Barnes,
ChicagoNetTech Inc




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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Dan Horne
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 08:43
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] SSL Questions


>> Follow up:
>>http://www.freessl.com/chainedssl/chainedssl_wildcard.html


A warning about this:  When I set up SSL for 7.15, we ran into a problem
using chained certs from Comodo.  The Imail SSL Configuration Utility would
not accept a chained certificate.  My understanding was that it could only
accept one certificate, and that certificate must be root-trusted.  Chained
certificates mean you have to install 2 or 3 or more certificates. I worked
with Ipswitch and Comodo for months (even made a useless and expensive call
to Microsoft) and we never got the chained cert to work.  The CA even sent
all three certs in one file, but Imail still choked.

Finally, I got a refund from Comodo and got a non-chained cert from Geotrust
(which, coincidentally, was the root-level cert that Comodo was chained to).
That one worked right away because it is root-trusted.

I never got a definitive answer from Ipswitch, but in my experience chained
certs do not work with Imail's webmail.

More info on freessl's chained certs can be found here:
http://www.freessl.com/faq.html#8


Dan Horne, CCNA
Web Services Administrator
TAIS Web
Wilcox World Travel & Tours
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