> their  recommendatin  is  to  block  networks  that  spew  spam  and
> infections  from  subscribe IPs direct to our MXs...For those of you
> who refuse (or are technically unable ) to block subscriber networks
> by PTR hostname...

That  article doesn't say anything about a PTR-based detection method,
nor  is  there  anything  in the actual white paper. What ASTA says is
that  unspecified ("unreasonable"?) levels of misbehavior _may_ result
in blocking a whole ISP--this statement is meant to include _all_ mail
from  an  ISP's  IPs,  including (a) designated smarthost mailers, (b)
designated  customer mailers, and (c) non-designated customer zombies.
C'mon, we already know this threat:

> If  the  ISP  does  not reasonably control abusive traffic, it is at
> risk of being blocked by other ISPs.

Like the man says:

> "It's a codification of existing best practices rather than anything
> that's  truly  new,"  said  John  Mozena,  executive director of the
> Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial Email.

They  don't  use  any  terms  anywhere  in the 19-page paper regarding
"detection"  of  designated mailers by PTR parsing. In fact, the white
paper  specifically  says that _there_ _is_ _no_ _standard_ for safely
detecting allowed customer mailers! It also admits that there are both
legitimate  mailers  and zombies on subscriber IPs, offering no method
of distinguishing between the two other than self-definition.

Everyone  wants  to block zombies. ASTA has not recommended a means of
doing  so that will not reject legitimate mail (otherwise, there would
be  no "risk" involved). They know that trying to separate legits from
zombies will cause hard-to-track FPs; they know that shutting down all
mail from an ISP (perhaps by PTR domain, perhaps by IP alone, it's not
specified)  will cause total FPs and immediate response, so if they do
anything  it'll be the latter...they'll be entering the battle in full
and  ready  to  roll heads. Not that I believe they'll actually do it,
but  _if_ they take the lead in wholesale blocking, that'll be awesome
for everyone, since they will apparently have decided that they've got
the  customer service team and bankroll to soothe their customers. But
that's far from true of the average admin.

--Sandy


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