They have, see http://www.workgroupmail.com/ for that solution :)
-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Foresman Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 3:43 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] Collaboration tools exposed What would be even more interesting is to have WorkgroupShare come out with their own mail server! Ha! Better yes, incorporate SmarterMail into WorkgroupShare! Bill Foresman Matrosity Hosting www.matrosityhosting.com Office: (850) 656-2644 -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Horne Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 6:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] Collaboration tools exposed Now imagine WorkgroupShare suddenly discontinuing the product you are using in your ICS (with literally NO WARNING!) and coming out with a "new" repackaged and renamed product for 10 times the cost. You and your customers would then be screwed in very much the same way you have screwed all of us. 'Spin' it however you want, it adds up to a big ol' corncob shoved up my you-know-what. Don't be surprised if your other products suffer as well. Your company has and will continue to suffer from 'bad reputation' by the very users that just last week were singing your praises. I myself have recommended Imail to at least 10 customers in the past 3 months. Never again. I was testing WS-FTP Server for use in my organization to replace the configuration-limited IIS, but will now move on to another product. I have had a purchase order on my supervisor's desk for WhatsUp Gold for the past couple months. Still trying to justify the price on that one, but the point is moot. I just went and got it and put it in the circular out-box. Much like the political spin we in the US have been subjected to in the past months, you are trying to 'spin' this by answering questions we never actually asked and ignoring our real concerns (OT: that is a non-partisan comment, as both parties are guilty of this sort of misdirection). Let me put it plain and simple, and then see if you can answer these concerns: Many current LOYAL Imail customers neither want, nor need, the WorkgroupShare component you are piggybacking your product on. Many current LOYAL Imail customers neither want, nor need, the Instant Messaging component you graciously "throw in" for us. Many current LOYAL Imail customers neither want, nor need, the overpriced and underperforming AV you graciously "throw in" for us. The question we (read I) want answered is this: What is your justification for alienating these LOYAL customers? As stated before, your excuses about support costs don't cut the mustard. Your support was incredibly inferior to this very list, as expressed time and time again. If you need more money to support a product, then CHARGE MORE MONEY TO SUPPORT THE PRODUCT! As it is, you apparently believe that the additional revenue and reduced customer-base will cover the support costs. But have you taken into consideration the added complexity you have added into ICS? You are now responsible for supporting software (WorkgroupShare) that ISN'T EVEN YOURS!!! I could go on and on as my blood is boiling, but please just answer that one question. Here, I'll even repeat it: What is your justification for alienating LOYAL customers? -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jill Jones Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 5:30 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] Collaboration tools exposed Hi James, You are correct in your assessment that this edition of ICS wraps the components of the suite by an installer. In the coming releases of ICS, you will see more and more integration of the different components. At this point there is some integration in the ability to import IMail users into WorkgroupShare. As for your assessment of the pricing - you are referring to the crossgrade prices - which, do not have a IMail component, as any customer that is eligible for the crossgrade already has IMail. The value we are providing then, comes from paying close to the retail price of WorkgroupShare and getting IMail, IIM, AV and Service thrown in. Best regards, Jill -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James P. Bednarz Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 4:36 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [IMail Forum] Collaboration tools exposed I downloaded the trial of ICS and as we all suspected it is simply an install of Imail, IpswitchIM, and Workgroupshare (www.workgroupshare.com) 3 separate programs connected by an installer. The 3 software programs are not tied together one bit by code and do not rely on each other for anything. The other installers install Imail 8.13 and IM 2.01 individually If you go to www.workgroupshare.com you can buy the collaboration software component 250 user license for $2995. Its almost as if Ipswitch is selling Imail, and IM as a cheap add on to this workgroupshare software. All of this just makes you want to say What in tarnation is going on here? The fall of Ipswitch could be as bad as the fall of the New York Yankees! James P. Bednarz Information Technology Manager Kaestle Boos Associates, Inc. Teamwork Rules! 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