On 9/20/09, J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Some further views: > "Dear all > > Wouldn't it be better to refer to the three groups under the > Fabaceae (Leguminosae) as three subfamilies - Faboideae, Caesalpinioideae > and Mimosoideae, rather than treating them as separate families as it would > create more confusion ?? They are treated as subfamilies in the APG 2003 as > well > > devipriya" > > > > > 2009/9/19 J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> > >> Hi, Singh ji, >> I have corrected 'Indiantreepix Database' with only family as '*Fabaceae*' >> to avoid any confusion. >> It will be reflected in next upload of database. >> >> >> 2009/9/18 Pardeshi S. <satishparde...@gmail.com> >> >> >>> Hello all >>> i think Papilionaceae now Fabaceae can be clearly distinguished with >>> its papilionaceous corolla, where as caesalpinaceae has its own >>> characteristics and family mimosaceae has its calyx and corolla much >>> reduces as compared with longer stamens. this morphology of their >>> floral parts clearly indicated their family. i think it would not be >>> correct to put all under Fabaceae. >>> >>> this are my views. further suggestions are welcome. >>> Regards >>> Satish Pardeshi >>> >>> On Sep 18, 11:06 am, Tabish <tabi...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> > Dear Gurcharan ji, >>> > Thank you for bringing up this discussion. We had given a lot of >>> > thought to this aspect, and decided to follow the second approach that >>> > you mention. We could have clubbed everything under Fabaceae, that >>> > technically comes under Fabaceae. We could have put the species that >>> > are under Asclepiadaceae (Milkweed family), under Apocynaceae >>> > (Oleander family). But then it takes away lot of information from the >>> > common user. Milkweeds do have some common characteristics among >>> > themselves. Botanists disntinguish between various sub-categories by >>> > specifying sub-families, but we do not want to overload a layperson >>> > with those details. So, we decided to follow the second approach. >>> > Putting Adenanthera pavonina under Fabaceae was an oversight, I >>> > will put it under Mimosaceae now. Do let me know if you come across >>> > any other inconsistency or discrepency. >>> > Best wishes >>> > - Tabish >>> > >>> > On Sep 18, 8:27 am, "singhg ." <sin...@sify.com> wrote: >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > This concerns the family names in our databases especially Flowers of >>> India >>> > >>> > > It does not make much difference which author you are following, but >>> > > there is need for a consistent approach. >>> > >>> > > Family Leguminosae is one of the largest families of flowering >>> plants. >>> > > Its new correct name is Fabaceae. >>> > >>> > > We either divide the family into three subfamilies (Faboideae, >>> > > Caesalpinioideae and Mimosoideae) and write just Fabaceae for all >>> > > members. >>> > >>> > > The second approach is to recognise all three as separate families: >>> > > Fabaceae (now alternate name Papilionaceae not Leguminosae), >>> > > Caesalpiniaceae and Mimosaceae; this classification is not followed >>> in >>> > > recent classifications, but no harm in using it as far as we are >>> > > consistent. >>> > >>> > > In Flowers of India website Acacia in placed under family Mimosaceae, >>> > > whereas Adenanthera (of the same group) is placed under Fabaceae. I >>> > > think this and other similar cases need to be corrected. >>> > >>> > > Tabish ji to please take a note. >>> > >>> > > -- >>> > > Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>> > > Department of Botany >>> > > SGTB Khalsa College >>> > > University of Delhi >>> > > Delhi-110007 >>> > > Res: 932 Anand Kunj >>> > > Vikas Puri >>> > > New Delhi-110018 >>> > > Phone: 011025518297 >>> >>> > > Mobile: 9810359089- Hide quoted text - >>> > >>> > - Show quoted text - >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> With regards, >> J.M.Garg (jmga...@gmail.com) >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1 >> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >> Image Resource of thousands of my images of Birds, Butterflies, Flora etc. >> (arranged alphabetically & place-wise): >> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg >> >> For learning about Indian Flora, visit/ join Google e-group- >> Indiantreepix:http://groups.google.co.in/group/indiantreepix?hl=en >> >> > > > -- > With regards, > J.M.Garg (jmga...@gmail.com) > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1 > 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' > Image Resource of thousands of my images of Birds, Butterflies, Flora etc. > (arranged alphabetically & place-wise): > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg > For learning about Indian Flora, visit/ join Google e-group- Indiantreepix: > http://groups.google.co.in/group/indiantreepix?hl=en > > One Fabaceae (Leguminosae) or ;separate Fabaceae (Papilionaceae), Caesalpiniaceae and Mimosaceae is no issue with me. I am equally comfortable with both. Let Garg ji and Tabish ji reach a consensus and choose whatever they like best. But it is important that Indiantreepix and Flowers of India have same pattern. It is important because Flowers of India provides facility to search names sorted familywise also.
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