Yes Garg ji It is not for nothing that I call you and Tabish ji as expert taxonomists.
Dr. Gurcharan Singh Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College University of Delhi, Delhi India http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45 ----- Original Message ----- From: J.M. Garg To: Gurcharan Singh Cc: Neil Soares ; Pravin Kawale ; indiantreepix ; Tabish ; Dinesh Valke Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 7:44 PM Subject: Re: [indiantreepix:21649] Re: ID021009phk1 Hi, Singh ji. You have missed the 2nd half of my mail reproduced again: "It (APNI) also gives current name e.g. for Triumfetta indica Lam. i.e. it indicates its current name to be (i.e. it being a syn. of)Triumfetta annua http://www.ipni.org/ipni/idPlantNameSearch.do;jsessionid=FC662F5A0DA45BF33670F146F6F5BA4E?id=835846-1&back_page=%2Fipni%2FeditSimplePlantNameSearch.do%3Bjsessionid%3DFC662F5A0DA45BF33670F146F6F5BA4E%3Ffind_wholeName%3DTriumfetta%2Bindica%26output_format%3Dnormal Similarly, it (APNI) also gives current name e.g. for Triumfetta trichoclada DC. i.e. it indicates its current name to be (i.e. it being a syn. of) Triumfetta annua http://www.ipni.org/ipni/idPlantNameSearch.do?id=836012-1&back_page=%2Fipni%2FeditSimplePlantNameSearch.do%3Ffind_wholeName%3DTriumfetta%2Btrichoclada%26output_format%3Dnormal Similarly, it (APNI) also gives current name e.g. for Triumfetta triclada Link i.e. it indicates its current name to be (i.e. it being a syn. of) Triumfetta annua http://www.ipni.org/ipni/idPlantNameSearch.do?id=836013-1&back_page=%2Fipni%2FeditSimplePlantNameSearch.do%3Ffind_wholeName%3DTriumfetta%2Btriclada%26output_format%3Dnormal And so & so on." Thus if Phyllocephalum tenue ( Clarke ) Narayana) is syn. of Phyllocephalum scabridum ( DC. ) K.Kirkman), it will be indicate the current name as (=scabridum) under notes, in the APNI link of Phyllocephalum tenue ( Clarke ) Narayana) at http://www.ipni.org/ipni/idPlantNameSearch.do;jsessionid=16428332EF7A05133BCD75C0AC3C9AF8?id=941965-1&back_page=%2Fipni%2FeditSimplePlantNameSearch.do%3Bjsessionid%3D16428332EF7A05133BCD75C0AC3C9AF8%3Ffind_wholeName%3DPhyllocephalum%2Btenue%26output_format%3Dnormal I hope I am clear now. 2009/10/27 Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> Garg ji These are the basionyms on which the new combinations are based. Every name that has two authers one within parantheses (DC in this case) and one outside -Kirkman in this case, will have a basionym. The problem of synonyms comes when we are equating two differently described and typed names. (heterotypic synonyms). Dr. Gurcharan Singh Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College University of Delhi, Delhi India http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45 ----- Original Message ----- From: J.M. Garg To: Gurcharan Singh Cc: Neil Soares ; Pravin Kawale ; indiantreepix ; Tabish ; Dinesh Valke Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 5:36 PM Subject: Re: [indiantreepix:21649] Re: ID021009phk1 Hi, Singh ji, Thanks for making us learn bit by bit. I think it (APNI) also gives synonyms as one can see in the link for (Phyllocephalum scabridum ( DC. ) K.Kirkman): http://www.ipni.org/ipni/idPlantNameSearch.do;jsessionid=C04E4D094FA678264160E479D1CEA4B8?id=909561-1&back_page=%2Fipni%2FeditSimplePlantNameSearch.do%3Bjsessionid%3DC04E4D094FA678264160E479D1CEA4B8%3Ffind_wholeName%3DPhyllocephalum%2Bscabridum%26output_format%3Dnormal It (APNI) also gives current name e.g. for Triumfetta indica Lam. i.e. it indicates its current name to be (i.e. it being a syn. of)Triumfetta annua http://www.ipni.org/ipni/idPlantNameSearch.do;jsessionid=FC662F5A0DA45BF33670F146F6F5BA4E?id=835846-1&back_page=%2Fipni%2FeditSimplePlantNameSearch.do%3Bjsessionid%3DFC662F5A0DA45BF33670F146F6F5BA4E%3Ffind_wholeName%3DTriumfetta%2Bindica%26output_format%3Dnormal Similarly, it (APNI) also gives current name e.g. for Triumfetta trichoclada DC. i.e. it indicates its current name to be (i.e. it being a syn. of) Triumfetta annua http://www.ipni.org/ipni/idPlantNameSearch.do?id=836012-1&back_page=%2Fipni%2FeditSimplePlantNameSearch.do%3Ffind_wholeName%3DTriumfetta%2Btrichoclada%26output_format%3Dnormal Similarly, it (APNI) also gives current name e.g. for Triumfetta triclada Link i.e. it indicates its current name to be (i.e. it being a syn. of)Triumfetta annua http://www.ipni.org/ipni/idPlantNameSearch.do?id=836013-1&back_page=%2Fipni%2FeditSimplePlantNameSearch.do%3Ffind_wholeName%3DTriumfetta%2Btriclada%26output_format%3Dnormal And so & so on. 2009/10/27 Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> Garg ji Please note that IPNI (which is a common database for Index Kewensis, Australian Plant Names Index and Gray's Card Index) does not give any taxonomic judgement. It won't list whether the name is accepted one or a synonym. It is the GRIN Taxonomy page, Kew World Checklist (fragmentary at this stage), recent Floras and a few other websites which list synonymy. Since the two names being discussed here were validated more recently (1981, 1982), may be Tabish ji or any other colleague to cite a publication where the two have been treated as synonyms. Dr. Gurcharan Singh Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College University of Delhi, Delhi India http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45 ----- Original Message ----- From: J.M. Garg To: Neil Soares Cc: Pravin Kawale ; indiantreepix ; Tabish ; Dinesh Valke Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 1:55 PM Subject: [indiantreepix:21649] Re: ID021009phk1 Flowersofindia shows both of them as synonyms, while APNI shows them as different species as per links: http://www.ipni.org/ipni/idPlantNameSearch.do;jsessionid=16428332EF7A05133BCD75C0AC3C9AF8?id=941965-1&back_page=%2Fipni%2FeditSimplePlantNameSearch.do%3Bjsessionid%3D16428332EF7A05133BCD75C0AC3C9AF8%3Ffind_wholeName%3DPhyllocephalum%2Btenue%26output_format%3Dnormal (APNI- Phyllocephalum tenue ( Clarke ) Narayana) http://www.ipni.org/ipni/idPlantNameSearch.do;jsessionid=C04E4D094FA678264160E479D1CEA4B8?id=909561-1&back_page=%2Fipni%2FeditSimplePlantNameSearch.do%3Bjsessionid%3DC04E4D094FA678264160E479D1CEA4B8%3Ffind_wholeName%3DPhyllocephalum%2Bscabridum%26output_format%3Dnormal (APNI- Phyllocephalum scabridum ( DC. ) K.Kirkman) http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Purple%20Heads.html (FOI) I think needs to be sorted out at FOI. 2009/10/3 Neil Soares <[email protected]> Hi Pravin, The photograph here is of Baccharoides tenue / Phyllocephalum tenue / Centrantherum tenue and not the same as the Purple Head [Baccharoides scabridum / Phyllocephalum scrabridum] seen in your first photograph. Regards, Neil. --- On Sat, 10/3/09, Pravin Kawale <[email protected]> wrote: From: Pravin Kawale <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [indiantreepix:19995] ID021009phk1 To: "Neil Soares" <[email protected]> Cc: "indiantreepix" <[email protected]> Date: Saturday, October 3, 2009, 5:00 PM Hi,Neilji, It looks other than because Purple head has both stem and leaves hairy Pl.go through attachment Thanks On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 9:51 PM, Neil Soares <[email protected]> wrote: Hi Pravin, It is the Purple Head [Phyllocephalum scrabridum]. Regards, Neil. --- On Fri, 10/2/09, Pravin Kawale <[email protected]> wrote: From: Pravin Kawale <[email protected]> Subject: [indiantreepix:19995] ID021009phk1 To: "indiantreepix" <[email protected]> Date: Friday, October 2, 2009, 8:07 PM Hi, ID asistance please Herb from Sagargad,Alibag Hieght up to 1mt. Thanks in advance DSC06946.JPG DSC06947.JPG DSC06949.JPG These pictures were sent with Picasa, from Google. 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