Gurcharan ji, thanks for your kind remarks! I would rather not carry the burden of the taxononmist tag! :-) It would be more reasonable to call me an informed layman. Coming to Phyllocephalum scabridum, I don't remember now where I picked up this information about Phyllocephalum tenue being a synonym from. I doesn't seem to be right. Those were the early days of FOI when we were not aware of IPNI and GRIN. - Tabish
On Oct 27, 7:36 pm, "Gurcharan Singh" <[email protected]> wrote: > Yes Garg ji > It is not for nothing that I call you and Tabish ji as expert taxonomists. > > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > Associate Professor > SGTB Khalsa College > University of Delhi, Delhi > Indiahttp://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: J.M. Garg > To: Gurcharan Singh > Cc: Neil Soares ; Pravin Kawale ; indiantreepix ; Tabish ; Dinesh Valke > Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 7:44 PM > Subject: Re: [indiantreepix:21649] Re: ID021009phk1 > > Hi, Singh ji. > You have missed the 2nd half of my mail reproduced again: > "It (APNI) also gives current name e.g. for Triumfetta indica Lam. i.e. it > indicates its current name to be (i.e. it being a syn. of)Triumfetta annua > http://www.ipni.org/ipni/idPlantNameSearch.do;jsessionid=FC662F5A0DA4... > > Similarly, it (APNI) also gives current name e.g. for Triumfetta > trichoclada DC. i.e. it indicates its current name to be (i.e. it being a > syn. of) Triumfetta annua > http://www.ipni.org/ipni/idPlantNameSearch.do?id=836012-1&back_page=%... > > Similarly, it (APNI) also gives current name e.g. for Triumfetta triclada > Link i.e. it indicates its current name to be (i.e. it being a syn. of) > Triumfetta annua > http://www.ipni.org/ipni/idPlantNameSearch.do?id=836013-1&back_page=%... > > And so & so on." > > Thus if Phyllocephalum tenue ( Clarke ) Narayana) is syn. of Phyllocephalum > scabridum ( DC. ) K.Kirkman), it will be indicate the current name as > (=scabridum) under notes, in the APNI link of Phyllocephalum tenue ( Clarke ) > Narayana) at > http://www.ipni.org/ipni/idPlantNameSearch.do;jsessionid=16428332EF7A... > > I hope I am clear now. > > 2009/10/27 Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> > > Garg ji > These are the basionyms on which the new combinations are based. Every > name that has two authers one within parantheses (DC in this case) and one > outside -Kirkman in this case, will have a basionym. The problem of synonyms > comes when we are equating two differently described and typed names. > (heterotypic synonyms). > > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > Associate Professor > SGTB Khalsa College > University of Delhi, Delhi > India > http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: J.M. Garg > To: Gurcharan Singh > Cc: Neil Soares ; Pravin Kawale ; indiantreepix ; Tabish ; Dinesh Valke > Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 5:36 PM > Subject: Re: [indiantreepix:21649] Re: ID021009phk1 > > Hi, Singh ji, > Thanks for making us learn bit by bit. > > I think it (APNI) also gives synonyms as one can see in the link for > (Phyllocephalum scabridum ( DC. ) K.Kirkman): > http://www.ipni.org/ipni/idPlantNameSearch.do;jsessionid=C04E4D094FA6... > > It (APNI) also gives current name e.g. for Triumfetta indica Lam. i.e. > it indicates its current name to be (i.e. it being a syn. of)Triumfetta annua > http://www.ipni.org/ipni/idPlantNameSearch.do;jsessionid=FC662F5A0DA4... > > Similarly, it (APNI) also gives current name e.g. for Triumfetta > trichoclada DC. i.e. it indicates its current name to be (i.e. it being a > syn. of) Triumfetta annua > http://www.ipni.org/ipni/idPlantNameSearch.do?id=836012-1&back_page=%... > > Similarly, it (APNI) also gives current name e.g. for Triumfetta > triclada Link i.e. it indicates its current name to be (i.e. it being a syn. > of)Triumfetta annua > http://www.ipni.org/ipni/idPlantNameSearch.do?id=836013-1&back_page=%... > > And so & so on. > > 2009/10/27 Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> > > Garg ji > Please note that IPNI (which is a common database for Index Kewensis, > Australian Plant Names Index and Gray's Card Index) does not give any > taxonomic judgement. It won't list whether the name is accepted one or a > synonym. It is the GRIN Taxonomy page, Kew World Checklist (fragmentary at > this stage), recent Floras and a few other websites which list synonymy. > > Since the two names being discussed here were validated more recently > (1981, 1982), may be Tabish ji or any other colleague to cite a publication > where the two have been treated as synonyms. > > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > Associate Professor > SGTB Khalsa College > University of Delhi, Delhi > India > http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: J.M. Garg > To: Neil Soares > Cc: Pravin Kawale ; indiantreepix ; Tabish ; Dinesh Valke > Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 1:55 PM > Subject: [indiantreepix:21649] Re: ID021009phk1 > > Flowersofindia shows both of them as synonyms, while APNI shows > them as different species as per links: > > http://www.ipni.org/ipni/idPlantNameSearch.do;jsessionid=16428332EF7A...(APNI- > Phyllocephalum tenue ( Clarke ) Narayana) > > > http://www.ipni.org/ipni/idPlantNameSearch.do;jsessionid=C04E4D094FA6...(APNI- > Phyllocephalum scabridum ( DC. ) K.Kirkman) > > http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Purple%20Heads.html(FOI) > > I think needs to be sorted out at FOI. > > 2009/10/3 Neil Soares <[email protected]> > > Hi Pravin, > The photograph here is of Baccharoides tenue / > Phyllocephalum tenue / Centrantherum tenue and not the same as the Purple > Head [Baccharoides scabridum / Phyllocephalum scrabridum] seen in your first > photograph. > Regards, > Neil. > > --- On Sat, 10/3/09, Pravin Kawale > <[email protected]> wrote: > > From: Pravin Kawale <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [indiantreepix:19995] ID021009phk1 > To: "Neil Soares" <[email protected]> > Cc: "indiantreepix" <[email protected]> > Date: Saturday, October 3, 2009, 5:00 PM > > Hi,Neilji, > It looks other than because > Purple head has both stem and leaves hairy > Pl.go through attachment > Thanks > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 9:51 PM, Neil Soares > <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Pravin, > It is the Purple Head [Phyllocephalum > scrabridum]. > Regards, > Neil. > > --- On Fri, 10/2/09, Pravin Kawale > <[email protected]> wrote: > > From: Pravin Kawale <[email protected]> > Subject: [indiantreepix:19995] ID021009phk1 > To: "indiantreepix" > <[email protected]> > Date: Friday, October 2, 2009, 8:07 PM > > Hi, > ID asistance please > Herb from Sagargad,Alibag > Hieght up to 1mt. > Thanks in advance > > DSC06946.JPG > DSC06947.JPG > DSC06949.JPG > > These pictures were sent with Picasa, from > Google. > Try it out here:http://picasa.google.com/ > > -- > Pravin > > -- > > With regards, > J.M.Garg ([email protected]) > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1 > 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' > Image Resource of thousands of my images of Birds, Butterflies, > Flora etc. (arranged alphabetically & > place-wise):http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg > For learning about Indian Flora, visit/ join Google e-group- > Indiantreepix:http://groups.google.co.in/group/indiantreepix?hl=en > > -- > With regards, > J.M.Garg ([email protected]) > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1 > 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' > Image Resource of thousands of my images of Birds, Butterflies, Flora > > ... > > read more » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "indiantreepix" group. 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