Anurag Ji, I didn't receive the Rawat Ji's mail <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/indiantreepix/0aYb3b2wXP8/OSjTohwKUBMJ> providing Flora of India KEY in the other thread. Under the changed scenario we need to reassess both the threads. We wasted many many hours chasing wild goose. The fruit size and murication in Flora of India KEY is quite opposite to what we found in http://florakarnataka.ces.iisc.ernet.in/hjcb2/img/pdf/Tetrastigma%20leucostaphylum/184.pdf.jpg .
We would start at KEY 1b of Flora of India and move towards : 1b -> 8 -> we will stop at 8a. Because I think (a) these berries are likely to grow more than 1 cm. (b) the branchlets are smooth in *T. leucostaphylum* (c) leaflet margins are revolute in *T. nilagiricum* (d) berries are turbinate globose in *T. rumiscispermum*. So, it should be *T. sulcatum*. What do you think? Thank you Regards surajit On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 10:43 PM, surajit koley < [email protected]> wrote: > Anurag Ji, > > Please don't take my words. You do express your view freely, in the > process I would learn something. I think there is less probability of this > plant to be *T. sulcata* (Laws.) Gamble, because leaves are crenate in > that species, as per both of the resources we have seen earlier. This > species has characters of *Vitris lanceolaria* Roxb. Since *lanceolaria* si > now divided in to two taxa, and I assume fruits are likely to grow a little > more I think it has possibility to be *T. leucostaphylum*. > > Thank you > Regards > surajit > > > On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 9:28 PM, Anurag Sharma <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> I do take a *Tetrastigma leucostaphylum *then sir. Thank you very much. >> >> On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 9:06 PM, surajit koley < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Thank you very much Dinesh Ji. I really spent much time on recent >>> vitaceae uploads. Thank you for recognizing. >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> surajit >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 8:43 PM, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> [?] Surajit ji for the efforts you take to dissect the available >>>> resources. >>>> Thank you very much. >>>> Regards. >>>> Dinesh >>>> >>>> On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 8:38 PM, surajit koley < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thank you very much Sir. Now, everything depends on mature fruit size >>>>> and backed by seed picture. >>>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>> >>>>> surajit >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 9:19 AM, M Swamy <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Excellent Surajiy ji. Great in-depth study . Who said you are a >>>>>> non botanist ? You are not only a botanist but a great taxonomist. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 8:19 AM, surajit koley < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Anurag Ji, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Flora of Karmataka thinks (1) *Tetrastigma lanceolarium* is >>>>>>> accepted name of *Cissus/Vitis lanceolaria* and (2) *T. >>>>>>> leucostaphylum* is accepted name of *Tetrastigma muricatum* (Wight >>>>>>> & Arn) Gamble. >>>>>>> KEY and description of the above two species can be found in the >>>>>>> same site - >>>>>>> http://florakarnataka.ces.iisc.ernet.in/hjcb2/herbsheet.php?id=4504&cat=1 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It is ironical that the fruit size of *T. leucostaphyllum* given in >>>>>>> the above site goes against the book Garg Sir mentioned earlier >>>>>>> <http://books.google.co.in/books?id=pSXidQZupHYC&pg=PA294&dq=Tetrastigma+%2B+india&hl=en&sa=X&ei=6Tg4UsK2FoXirAfjo4GoCw&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Tetrastigma%20%2B%20india&f=false>. >>>>>>> It is further more ironical that our group recognize the second one >>>>>>> above >>>>>>> is a different taxon - >>>>>>> https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/v/vitaceae/tetrastigma/tetrastigma-muricatum >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Certainly what the above book >>>>>>> <http://books.google.co.in/books?id=pSXidQZupHYC&pg=PA294&dq=Tetrastigma+%2B+india&hl=en&sa=X&ei=6Tg4UsK2FoXirAfjo4GoCw&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Tetrastigma%20%2B%20india&f=false> >>>>>>> says about the fruit (triangula-obcordate) of *Tetrastigma >>>>>>> rumicisperma* is wrong. The fruit of this species (*T. rum.*) will >>>>>>> be same as *T. lanceolarium* but smaller (check FoC >>>>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=242351675>); >>>>>>> and the plant will be same as *T. lanceolarium*. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> All the above confusion, I think, lies in a single Wallich >>>>>>> collection - Wall. cat. 6013. and entries in FBI. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So, forget about all experts, books, sites. Take a tip from this >>>>>>> non-botanist-expert one, i.e. myself! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Your plant is *Tetrastigma leucostaphylum* as per fruit size (more >>>>>>> than 1.2 cm?) mentioned in your Flora of Karnataka site. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thank you >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>> >>>>>>> surajit >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 7:48 AM, surajit koley < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Anurag Ji, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In FBI the distribution of *Vitis rumicisperma* Laws. is >>>>>>>> restricted to Sikkim Himalaya, Khasia Mts. FBI thinks it is also >>>>>>>> allied to *V. >>>>>>>> lanceolaria*. FBI says it has leaves usually pedately 5-foliolate, >>>>>>>> rarelt 3-foliolate; branches with corky wart or tubercles; fruit the >>>>>>>> size >>>>>>>> of large currant; *seed broadly triangular-obcordate*. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The book Garg Sir mentioned earlier >>>>>>>> <http://books.google.co.in/books?id=pSXidQZupHYC&pg=PA294&dq=Tetrastigma+%2B+india&hl=en&sa=X&ei=6Tg4UsK2FoXirAfjo4GoCw&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Tetrastigma%20%2B%20india&f=false>informs >>>>>>>> it is present in the South too, as *Tetrastigma rumicisperma* (Laws.) >>>>>>>> Planch. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Please check probability. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thank you >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> surajit >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 9:37 PM, surajit koley < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks Garg Sir, in that case it may not be *Vitis *(*Cissus*)* >>>>>>>>> lanceolaria* Roxb, >>>>>>>>> Thank you >>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 5:21 PM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks, Surajit ji, >>>>>>>>>> Accepted name & synonyms as given in efi is based on GRIN >>>>>>>>>> <http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/taxon.pl?36406> >>>>>>>>>> (2014) & Flora of Eastern Ghats: Hill Ranges of South East >>>>>>>>>> India, Volume 1 >>>>>>>>>> <http://books.google.co.in/books?id=pSXidQZupHYC&pg=PA294&dq=Tetrastigma+%2B+india&hl=en&sa=X&ei=6Tg4UsK2FoXirAfjo4GoCw&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Tetrastigma%20%2B%20india&f=false> >>>>>>>>>> By T. Pullaiah, D. Muralidhara Rao, K. Sri Ramamurthy (2003- >>>>>>>>>> Description & *Keys)* >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 15 October 2014 21:34, surajit koley < >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I agree with you, Mahadeswara Ji, but there is a problem >>>>>>>>>>> with accepted name - >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> - I think it is *Vitis lanceolaria* Roxb. of FBI, the >>>>>>>>>>> accepted name of which, as per TPL, is *Tetrastigma >>>>>>>>>>> lanceolarium* (Roxb.) Planch >>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl1.1/record/tro-34000717>. >>>>>>>>>>> But at the same time TPL gives a note - *"A cross-taxon >>>>>>>>>>> basionym link was ignored while processing this record, see >>>>>>>>>>> Cissus >>>>>>>>>>> lanceolaria Roxb.."*. I don't know what does it mean. >>>>>>>>>>> - Our group identifies *Cissus lanceolaria* Roxb. with >>>>>>>>>>> *Tetrastigma >>>>>>>>>>> leucostaphylum >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/v/vitaceae/tetrastigma/tetrastigma-leucostaphylum>* >>>>>>>>>>> (Dennst.) Alston ex Mabb. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> That's why I suggested the name i found in Flora of British >>>>>>>>>>> India. >>>>>>>>>>> Thank you >>>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 9:44 AM, M Swamy <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> How about Tetrastigma species ? Not sure. Need to compare >>>>>>>>>>>> the characters. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 11:20 PM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Forwarding again for Idassistance please. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Cayratia >>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/v/vitaceae/cayratia>- >>>>>>>>>>>>> species in eFloraofindia (with details/ keys from published >>>>>>>>>>>>> papers/ regional floras/ FRLHT/ FOI/ Biotik/ efloras/ books etc., >>>>>>>>>>>>> where >>>>>>>>>>>>> ever available) >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Assuming this is a climber, 5 foliolate pedate leaves, >>>>>>>>>>>>> glabrous nature, corky warts o tubercles, short and compact cymes >>>>>>>>>>>>> suggest >>>>>>>>>>>>> it can be *Vitis lanceolaria* Roxb, FBI i. 660. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you >>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards Surajit >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Anurag Sharma <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: 4 October 2014 14:24 >>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:202254] ANOCT24 Cayratia sp.? >>>>>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Nandi Hills >>>>>>>>>>>>> 1st October 2014 >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>>>>>>>> it, send an email to >>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Visit this group at >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. >>>>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >>>>>>>>>>>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource >>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more >>>>>>>>>>>>> than a thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, >>>>>>>>>>>>> Butterflies, >>>>>>>>>>>>> Plants etc. (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). 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