Thank you Anurag Ji and Rawat Sir. Regards
surajit On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 7:23 PM, Anurag Sharma <[email protected]> wrote: > I agree sir. Thank you! > Now that both this thread and the other > <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/indiantreepix/0aYb3b2wXP8/OSjTohwKUBMJ> > have been narrowed down to T. sulcatum, I will club the two together so > that it can be reffered to in the future all in one place. I will combine > the information from both the threads too. > > Thank you once again. > > On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 11:00 PM, surajit koley < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Anurag Ji, >> >> I didn't receive the Rawat Ji's mail >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/indiantreepix/0aYb3b2wXP8/OSjTohwKUBMJ> >> providing >> Flora of India KEY in the other thread. Under the changed scenario we need >> to reassess both the threads. We wasted many many hours chasing wild goose. >> The fruit size and murication in Flora of India KEY is quite opposite to >> what we found in >> http://florakarnataka.ces.iisc.ernet.in/hjcb2/img/pdf/Tetrastigma%20leucostaphylum/184.pdf.jpg >> . >> >> We would start at KEY 1b of Flora of India and move towards : 1b -> 8 -> >> we will stop at 8a. >> >> Because I think >> (a) these berries are likely to grow more than 1 cm. >> (b) the branchlets are smooth in *T. leucostaphylum* >> (c) leaflet margins are revolute in *T. nilagiricum* >> (d) berries are turbinate globose in *T. rumiscispermum*. >> >> So, it should be *T. sulcatum*. What do you think? >> >> Thank you >> Regards >> surajit >> >> >> >> On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 10:43 PM, surajit koley < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Anurag Ji, >>> >>> Please don't take my words. You do express your view freely, in the >>> process I would learn something. I think there is less probability of this >>> plant to be *T. sulcata* (Laws.) Gamble, because leaves are crenate in >>> that species, as per both of the resources we have seen earlier. This >>> species has characters of *Vitris lanceolaria* Roxb. Since *lanceolaria* si >>> now divided in to two taxa, and I assume fruits are likely to grow a little >>> more I think it has possibility to be *T. leucostaphylum*. >>> >>> Thank you >>> Regards >>> surajit >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 9:28 PM, Anurag Sharma <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I do take a *Tetrastigma leucostaphylum *then sir. Thank you very much. >>>> >>>> On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 9:06 PM, surajit koley < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thank you very much Dinesh Ji. I really spent much time on recent >>>>> vitaceae uploads. Thank you for recognizing. >>>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>> >>>>> surajit >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 8:43 PM, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> [?] Surajit ji for the efforts you take to dissect the available >>>>>> resources. >>>>>> Thank you very much. >>>>>> Regards. >>>>>> Dinesh >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 8:38 PM, surajit koley < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Thank you very much Sir. Now, everything depends on mature fruit >>>>>>> size and backed by seed picture. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>> >>>>>>> surajit >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 9:19 AM, M Swamy <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Excellent Surajiy ji. Great in-depth study . Who said you are >>>>>>>> a non botanist ? You are not only a botanist but a great taxonomist. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 8:19 AM, surajit koley < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Anurag Ji, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Flora of Karmataka thinks (1) *Tetrastigma lanceolarium* is >>>>>>>>> accepted name of *Cissus/Vitis lanceolaria* and (2) *T. >>>>>>>>> leucostaphylum* is accepted name of *Tetrastigma muricatum* (Wight >>>>>>>>> & Arn) Gamble. >>>>>>>>> KEY and description of the above two species can be found in the >>>>>>>>> same site - >>>>>>>>> http://florakarnataka.ces.iisc.ernet.in/hjcb2/herbsheet.php?id=4504&cat=1 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It is ironical that the fruit size of *T. leucostaphyllum* given >>>>>>>>> in the above site goes against the book Garg Sir mentioned earlier >>>>>>>>> <http://books.google.co.in/books?id=pSXidQZupHYC&pg=PA294&dq=Tetrastigma+%2B+india&hl=en&sa=X&ei=6Tg4UsK2FoXirAfjo4GoCw&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Tetrastigma%20%2B%20india&f=false>. >>>>>>>>> It is further more ironical that our group recognize the second one >>>>>>>>> above >>>>>>>>> is a different taxon - >>>>>>>>> https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/v/vitaceae/tetrastigma/tetrastigma-muricatum >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Certainly what the above book >>>>>>>>> <http://books.google.co.in/books?id=pSXidQZupHYC&pg=PA294&dq=Tetrastigma+%2B+india&hl=en&sa=X&ei=6Tg4UsK2FoXirAfjo4GoCw&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Tetrastigma%20%2B%20india&f=false> >>>>>>>>> says about the fruit (triangula-obcordate) of *Tetrastigma >>>>>>>>> rumicisperma* is wrong. The fruit of this species (*T. rum.*) >>>>>>>>> will be same as *T. lanceolarium* but smaller (check FoC >>>>>>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=242351675>); >>>>>>>>> and the plant will be same as *T. lanceolarium*. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> All the above confusion, I think, lies in a single Wallich >>>>>>>>> collection - Wall. cat. 6013. and entries in FBI. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So, forget about all experts, books, sites. Take a tip from this >>>>>>>>> non-botanist-expert one, i.e. myself! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Your plant is *Tetrastigma leucostaphylum* as per fruit size >>>>>>>>> (more than 1.2 cm?) mentioned in your Flora of Karnataka site. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thank you >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> surajit >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 7:48 AM, surajit koley < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Anurag Ji, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> In FBI the distribution of *Vitis rumicisperma* Laws. is >>>>>>>>>> restricted to Sikkim Himalaya, Khasia Mts. FBI thinks it is also >>>>>>>>>> allied to *V. >>>>>>>>>> lanceolaria*. FBI says it has leaves usually pedately >>>>>>>>>> 5-foliolate, rarelt 3-foliolate; branches with corky wart or >>>>>>>>>> tubercles; >>>>>>>>>> fruit the size of large currant; *seed broadly >>>>>>>>>> triangular-obcordate*. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The book Garg Sir mentioned earlier >>>>>>>>>> <http://books.google.co.in/books?id=pSXidQZupHYC&pg=PA294&dq=Tetrastigma+%2B+india&hl=en&sa=X&ei=6Tg4UsK2FoXirAfjo4GoCw&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Tetrastigma%20%2B%20india&f=false>informs >>>>>>>>>> it is present in the South too, as *Tetrastigma rumicisperma* (Laws.) >>>>>>>>>> Planch. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Please check probability. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thank you >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> surajit >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 9:37 PM, surajit koley < >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Garg Sir, in that case it may not be *Vitis *(*Cissus*)* >>>>>>>>>>> lanceolaria* Roxb, >>>>>>>>>>> Thank you >>>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 5:21 PM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, Surajit ji, >>>>>>>>>>>> Accepted name & synonyms as given in efi is based on GRIN >>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/taxon.pl?36406> >>>>>>>>>>>> (2014) & Flora of Eastern Ghats: Hill Ranges of South East >>>>>>>>>>>> India, Volume 1 >>>>>>>>>>>> <http://books.google.co.in/books?id=pSXidQZupHYC&pg=PA294&dq=Tetrastigma+%2B+india&hl=en&sa=X&ei=6Tg4UsK2FoXirAfjo4GoCw&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Tetrastigma%20%2B%20india&f=false> >>>>>>>>>>>> By T. Pullaiah, D. Muralidhara Rao, K. Sri Ramamurthy (2003- >>>>>>>>>>>> Description & *Keys)* >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 15 October 2014 21:34, surajit koley < >>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I agree with you, Mahadeswara Ji, but there is a problem >>>>>>>>>>>>> with accepted name - >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> - I think it is *Vitis lanceolaria* Roxb. of FBI, the >>>>>>>>>>>>> accepted name of which, as per TPL, is *Tetrastigma >>>>>>>>>>>>> lanceolarium* (Roxb.) Planch >>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl1.1/record/tro-34000717>. >>>>>>>>>>>>> But at the same time TPL gives a note - *"A cross-taxon >>>>>>>>>>>>> basionym link was ignored while processing this record, see >>>>>>>>>>>>> Cissus >>>>>>>>>>>>> lanceolaria Roxb.."*. I don't know what does it mean. >>>>>>>>>>>>> - Our group identifies *Cissus lanceolaria* Roxb. with >>>>>>>>>>>>> *Tetrastigma >>>>>>>>>>>>> leucostaphylum >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/v/vitaceae/tetrastigma/tetrastigma-leucostaphylum>* >>>>>>>>>>>>> (Dennst.) Alston ex Mabb. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> That's why I suggested the name i found in Flora of British >>>>>>>>>>>>> India. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you >>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 9:44 AM, M Swamy <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> How about Tetrastigma species ? Not sure. Need to compare >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the characters. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 11:20 PM, J.M. Garg < >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Forwarding again for Idassistance please. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cayratia >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/v/vitaceae/cayratia>- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> species in eFloraofindia (with details/ keys from published >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> papers/ regional floras/ FRLHT/ FOI/ Biotik/ efloras/ books >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc., where >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ever available) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Assuming this is a climber, 5 foliolate pedate leaves, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> glabrous nature, corky warts o tubercles, short and compact >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cymes suggest >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it can be *Vitis lanceolaria* Roxb, FBI i. 660. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards Surajit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Anurag Sharma <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: 4 October 2014 14:24 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:202254] ANOCT24 Cayratia sp.? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nandi Hills >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1st October 2014 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from it, send an email to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visit this group at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more than a thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Butterflies, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Plants etc. (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). 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