I agree sir. Thank you! Now that both this thread and the other <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/indiantreepix/0aYb3b2wXP8/OSjTohwKUBMJ> have been narrowed down to T. sulcatum, I will club the two together so that it can be reffered to in the future all in one place. I will combine the information from both the threads too.
Thank you once again. On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 11:00 PM, surajit koley < [email protected]> wrote: > Anurag Ji, > > I didn't receive the Rawat Ji's mail > <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/indiantreepix/0aYb3b2wXP8/OSjTohwKUBMJ> > providing > Flora of India KEY in the other thread. Under the changed scenario we need > to reassess both the threads. We wasted many many hours chasing wild goose. > The fruit size and murication in Flora of India KEY is quite opposite to > what we found in > http://florakarnataka.ces.iisc.ernet.in/hjcb2/img/pdf/Tetrastigma%20leucostaphylum/184.pdf.jpg > . > > We would start at KEY 1b of Flora of India and move towards : 1b -> 8 -> > we will stop at 8a. > > Because I think > (a) these berries are likely to grow more than 1 cm. > (b) the branchlets are smooth in *T. leucostaphylum* > (c) leaflet margins are revolute in *T. nilagiricum* > (d) berries are turbinate globose in *T. rumiscispermum*. > > So, it should be *T. sulcatum*. What do you think? > > Thank you > Regards > surajit > > > > On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 10:43 PM, surajit koley < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Anurag Ji, >> >> Please don't take my words. You do express your view freely, in the >> process I would learn something. I think there is less probability of this >> plant to be *T. sulcata* (Laws.) Gamble, because leaves are crenate in >> that species, as per both of the resources we have seen earlier. This >> species has characters of *Vitris lanceolaria* Roxb. Since *lanceolaria* si >> now divided in to two taxa, and I assume fruits are likely to grow a little >> more I think it has possibility to be *T. leucostaphylum*. >> >> Thank you >> Regards >> surajit >> >> >> On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 9:28 PM, Anurag Sharma <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> I do take a *Tetrastigma leucostaphylum *then sir. Thank you very much. >>> >>> On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 9:06 PM, surajit koley < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Thank you very much Dinesh Ji. I really spent much time on recent >>>> vitaceae uploads. Thank you for recognizing. >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> surajit >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 8:43 PM, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> [?] Surajit ji for the efforts you take to dissect the available >>>>> resources. >>>>> Thank you very much. >>>>> Regards. >>>>> Dinesh >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 8:38 PM, surajit koley < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Thank you very much Sir. Now, everything depends on mature fruit size >>>>>> and backed by seed picture. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards >>>>>> >>>>>> surajit >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 9:19 AM, M Swamy <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Excellent Surajiy ji. Great in-depth study . Who said you are a >>>>>>> non botanist ? You are not only a botanist but a great taxonomist. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 8:19 AM, surajit koley < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Anurag Ji, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Flora of Karmataka thinks (1) *Tetrastigma lanceolarium* is >>>>>>>> accepted name of *Cissus/Vitis lanceolaria* and (2) *T. >>>>>>>> leucostaphylum* is accepted name of *Tetrastigma muricatum* (Wight >>>>>>>> & Arn) Gamble. >>>>>>>> KEY and description of the above two species can be found in the >>>>>>>> same site - >>>>>>>> http://florakarnataka.ces.iisc.ernet.in/hjcb2/herbsheet.php?id=4504&cat=1 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It is ironical that the fruit size of *T. leucostaphyllum* given >>>>>>>> in the above site goes against the book Garg Sir mentioned earlier >>>>>>>> <http://books.google.co.in/books?id=pSXidQZupHYC&pg=PA294&dq=Tetrastigma+%2B+india&hl=en&sa=X&ei=6Tg4UsK2FoXirAfjo4GoCw&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Tetrastigma%20%2B%20india&f=false>. >>>>>>>> It is further more ironical that our group recognize the second one >>>>>>>> above >>>>>>>> is a different taxon - >>>>>>>> https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/v/vitaceae/tetrastigma/tetrastigma-muricatum >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Certainly what the above book >>>>>>>> <http://books.google.co.in/books?id=pSXidQZupHYC&pg=PA294&dq=Tetrastigma+%2B+india&hl=en&sa=X&ei=6Tg4UsK2FoXirAfjo4GoCw&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Tetrastigma%20%2B%20india&f=false> >>>>>>>> says about the fruit (triangula-obcordate) of *Tetrastigma >>>>>>>> rumicisperma* is wrong. The fruit of this species (*T. rum.*) will >>>>>>>> be same as *T. lanceolarium* but smaller (check FoC >>>>>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=242351675>); >>>>>>>> and the plant will be same as *T. lanceolarium*. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> All the above confusion, I think, lies in a single Wallich >>>>>>>> collection - Wall. cat. 6013. and entries in FBI. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So, forget about all experts, books, sites. Take a tip from this >>>>>>>> non-botanist-expert one, i.e. myself! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Your plant is *Tetrastigma leucostaphylum* as per fruit size (more >>>>>>>> than 1.2 cm?) mentioned in your Flora of Karnataka site. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thank you >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> surajit >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 7:48 AM, surajit koley < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Anurag Ji, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> In FBI the distribution of *Vitis rumicisperma* Laws. is >>>>>>>>> restricted to Sikkim Himalaya, Khasia Mts. FBI thinks it is also >>>>>>>>> allied to *V. >>>>>>>>> lanceolaria*. FBI says it has leaves usually pedately >>>>>>>>> 5-foliolate, rarelt 3-foliolate; branches with corky wart or >>>>>>>>> tubercles; >>>>>>>>> fruit the size of large currant; *seed broadly >>>>>>>>> triangular-obcordate*. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The book Garg Sir mentioned earlier >>>>>>>>> <http://books.google.co.in/books?id=pSXidQZupHYC&pg=PA294&dq=Tetrastigma+%2B+india&hl=en&sa=X&ei=6Tg4UsK2FoXirAfjo4GoCw&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Tetrastigma%20%2B%20india&f=false>informs >>>>>>>>> it is present in the South too, as *Tetrastigma rumicisperma* (Laws.) >>>>>>>>> Planch. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Please check probability. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thank you >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> surajit >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 9:37 PM, surajit koley < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks Garg Sir, in that case it may not be *Vitis *(*Cissus*)* >>>>>>>>>> lanceolaria* Roxb, >>>>>>>>>> Thank you >>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 5:21 PM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, Surajit ji, >>>>>>>>>>> Accepted name & synonyms as given in efi is based on GRIN >>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/taxon.pl?36406> >>>>>>>>>>> (2014) & Flora of Eastern Ghats: Hill Ranges of South East >>>>>>>>>>> India, Volume 1 >>>>>>>>>>> <http://books.google.co.in/books?id=pSXidQZupHYC&pg=PA294&dq=Tetrastigma+%2B+india&hl=en&sa=X&ei=6Tg4UsK2FoXirAfjo4GoCw&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Tetrastigma%20%2B%20india&f=false> >>>>>>>>>>> By T. Pullaiah, D. Muralidhara Rao, K. Sri Ramamurthy (2003- >>>>>>>>>>> Description & *Keys)* >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 15 October 2014 21:34, surajit koley < >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I agree with you, Mahadeswara Ji, but there is a problem >>>>>>>>>>>> with accepted name - >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> - I think it is *Vitis lanceolaria* Roxb. of FBI, the >>>>>>>>>>>> accepted name of which, as per TPL, is *Tetrastigma >>>>>>>>>>>> lanceolarium* (Roxb.) Planch >>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl1.1/record/tro-34000717>. >>>>>>>>>>>> But at the same time TPL gives a note - *"A cross-taxon >>>>>>>>>>>> basionym link was ignored while processing this record, see >>>>>>>>>>>> Cissus >>>>>>>>>>>> lanceolaria Roxb.."*. I don't know what does it mean. >>>>>>>>>>>> - Our group identifies *Cissus lanceolaria* Roxb. with >>>>>>>>>>>> *Tetrastigma >>>>>>>>>>>> leucostaphylum >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/v/vitaceae/tetrastigma/tetrastigma-leucostaphylum>* >>>>>>>>>>>> (Dennst.) Alston ex Mabb. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> That's why I suggested the name i found in Flora of British >>>>>>>>>>>> India. >>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you >>>>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 9:44 AM, M Swamy <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> How about Tetrastigma species ? Not sure. Need to compare >>>>>>>>>>>>> the characters. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 11:20 PM, J.M. Garg <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Forwarding again for Idassistance please. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cayratia >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/v/vitaceae/cayratia>- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> species in eFloraofindia (with details/ keys from published >>>>>>>>>>>>>> papers/ regional floras/ FRLHT/ FOI/ Biotik/ efloras/ books >>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc., where >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ever available) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Assuming this is a climber, 5 foliolate pedate leaves, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> glabrous nature, corky warts o tubercles, short and compact >>>>>>>>>>>>>> cymes suggest >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it can be *Vitis lanceolaria* Roxb, FBI i. 660. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards Surajit >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Anurag Sharma <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: 4 October 2014 14:24 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:202254] ANOCT24 Cayratia sp.? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nandi Hills >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1st October 2014 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it, send an email to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visit this group at >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> more than a thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Butterflies, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Plants etc. (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). 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