Thank very very much Sampath ji for elaborating your thoughts. I will revise my notes at flickr appropriately, in some time. Regards. Dinesh
On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 4:30 PM, J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks, Sampath ji. > It is certainly a great input. > > On 10 May 2015 at 16:18, V. Sampath Kumar <vskuma...@rediffmail.com> > wrote: > >> >> I thought better not to postpone, so I referred my thesis (ofcourse not >> Lits. as Library is closed). >> Before going to detail again I reiterate the WCSP and GRIN etc. are >> compiled work, based on lits. they upload the data. >> In my thesis I wrote, (only required portion I am reproducing, actually 3 >> page notes was written) >> *Mentha longifolia* is exceedingly polymorphic due to which innumerable >> number of specific or infra-specific taxa were described throughout its >> range. Briquet in Engler & Prantl’s *Pflansenfamilien* (1895 – 97) >> recognized 21 subspecies and 150 varieties. >> In India, with the available substantial amount of herbarium specimens, >> the choice is, either to recognize unending number of ill-defined taxa or >> to admit that such a recognization is hopelessly artificial and that for >> general purposes easily circumscribed and well-defined taxa are the only >> practical solution. In this case, it is felt reasonable to recognize >> formally only one species with the following 3 variants since they appear >> to be some extent holding well. >> >> Hedge and Lamond (1968) in their account of Afgan *Labiatae* recognized >> two subspecies *viz.,* *longifolia* and *hymalaiensis* under *M. >> longifolia* and considered the varieties *royleana* and *incana* as >> synonyms of the typical subspecies *longifolia*. ---- which is followed >> in GRIN >> >> Hedge (1990) in *Flora of Pakistan* tentatively recognized two species, >> *viz., >> * *M. longifolia* and *M. royleana* >> ---which is followed in WCSP >> But in my work, I recognised M. Longifolia with two vars. royleana and >> incana as per my view.[third var is longifolia] In other words Taxonomy is >> based on personal opinions and it varies from person to person. >> Hope this would be useful in solving the doubt. >> >> Sampath Kumar >> >> From: "V. Sampath Kumar " <vskuma...@rediffmail.com> >> Sent: Sun, 10 May 2015 14:52:48 >> To: "J.M. Garg" <jmga...@gmail.com>, "efloraofindia " < >> indiantreepix@googlegroups.com> >> Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:223370] Lamiaceae (incl. Verbenaceae) >> Fortnight :: Mentha royleana :: Tapovan :: DVMAY34/34 >> Gargji, >> I am to check my thesis and other lits. as I did this work almost 20 yrs >> back. I'll verify in the leisure time (as we are busy in arranging >> Biodiversity day 22nd May). Definitely I'll clarify this complicate group >> problem. >> >> DR. V. SAMPATH KUMAR >> Scientist, >> Central National Herbarium, >> Botanical Survey of India, >> B. Garden (P.O), >> HOWRAH -711 103, >> W. Bengal, INDIA. >> Thanks for not printing this e-mail unless you really need to >> >> >> From: "J.M. Garg" <jmga...@gmail.com> >> Sent: Sat, 09 May 2015 18:27:14 >> To: "V. Sampath Kumar" <vskuma...@rediffmail.com> >> Cc: Dinesh Valke <dinesh.va...@gmail.com>, " >> indiantreepix@googlegroups.com" <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com> >> Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:223303] Lamiaceae (incl. Verbenaceae) >> Fortnight :: Mentha royleana :: Tapovan :: DVMAY34/34 >> Thanks, Sampath ji. >> >> GRIN <http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/taxon.pl?316342> >> (Updated in 2012) gives *Mentha longifolia *(L.) Huds. subsp. >> *hymalaiensis* Briq., G. A. Engler & K. A. E. Prantl, Nat. Pflanzenfam. >> 4(3a):322. 1897 (Syn: (=) *Mentha longifolia* subsp. *royleana* >> <http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/taxon.pl?463717> (Benth.) >> Briq.; (=) *Mentha royleana* >> <http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/taxon.pl?313213> Benth.) with >> distribution in *India* [n.w.]; *Nepal*; *Pakistan* [n.] >> >> Accordingly we have been folllowing our species from North West Himalayas >> as *Mentha longifolia subsp. hymalaiensis* >> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/l/lamiaceae/mentha/mentha-longifolia> >> as >> per efi thread >> <https://groups.google.com/forum/!topic/indiantreepix/saJgweNnBJk>. (Pl. >> also see Flora of Pak >> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=242423251>) >> >> As per WCSP <http://apps.kew.org/wcsp/namedetail.do?name_id=350721>, *Mentha >> longifolia* subsp.* hymalaiensis* (Briq.) Briq. is a syn. of *Mentha >> royleana *var.* royleana *with distribution from Pakistan to W. Himalaya >> >> WCSP treats *Mentha incana* Willd. as a syn. of *Mentha longifolia >> subsp. longifolia.* >> <http://apps.kew.org/wcsp/namedetail.do;jsessionid=2FE795765EF5584CA661570B6C560BBE?name_id=124951> >> with distribution in Himalayas (? but does it show any distribution in >> India). Flora of China >> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200019816> >> does not show any distribution of *Mentha longifolia* (Linnaeus) Hudson >> in India. >> >> Pl. clarify. >> >> >> On 5 May 2015 at 10:49, V. Sampath Kumar <vskuma...@rediffmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Dear Dineshji, >>> I think the plant is M. incana as the infl is interrupted throughout. >>> Indeed I treat the incana and royleana as vars. of M. longifolia. I am >>> providing key here for clarification. >>> >>> 1a. Spikes slender, interrupted throughout; calyx 1 / 1.5 mm >>> >>> long, teeth less than half the length of the tube >>> M. *incana* >>> >>> b. Spikes relatively stouter, uninterrupted or interrupted >>> >>> only at base; calyx 1.5 – 2.5 mm long, teeth more than >>> >>> half the length to as long as the tube >>> *2* >>> >>> 2a. Leaves sessile or nearly so; spikes compact >>> >>> rarely interrupted at base >>> M. *longifolia* >>> >>> b. Leaves petiolate; spikes usually interrupted at base M. >>> *royleana* >>> >>> >>> Sampath Kumar >>> DR. V. SAMPATH KUMAR >>> Scientist, >>> Central National Herbarium, >>> Botanical Survey of India, >>> B. Garden (P.O), >>> HOWRAH -711 103, >>> W. Bengal, INDIA. >>> Thanks for not printing this e-mail unless you really need to >>> >>> >>> From: Dinesh Valke <dinesh.va...@gmail.com> >>> Sent: Mon, 04 May 2015 19:22:30 >>> To: efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com> >>> Subject: [efloraofindia:222692] Lamiaceae (incl. 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