<https://archive.org/stream/revisionofgenfisher#page/444/mode/2up/search/cosmos+caudatus>
https://archive.org/details/*revision*ofgenfisher
https://archive.org/details/revisionofgenfisher
<https://archive.org/stream/revisionofgenfisher#page/444/mode/2up/search/cosmos+caudatus>
<https://archive.org/stream/revisionofgenfisher#page/444/mode/2up/search/cosmos+caudatus>
https://archive.org/stream/revisionofgenfisher#page/444/mode/2up/search/cosmos+caudatus
(above page most specific for C. diversifolius)
https://archive.org/stream/revisionofgenfisher#page/412/mode/2up/search/cosmos+caudatus
(above page most specific for C. caudatus
I have found a publication called 'Revsion of genus Cosmos' and given links
to 2 of the most specific pages wrt C. caudaus an C. diversifolius; However
most of the stuff is in Latin (I do not know Latin), some in English. As I
cannot read all of it - even parts specific to C. cudatus and diversifolius
- I do not want to hazard a guess. [All I can say is that achene of my
plant is 2-aristate.].
Kindly go through the same and give your views.
Regards,
Samir Mehta
On Thursday, October 29, 2015 at 5:42:37 PM UTC+5:30, Samir Mehta wrote:
>
> 'Rather than digging into keys of exotic flora, if we get to know the
> facts / history of their introduction, that may serve our purpose. I
> strongly believe only one of these was introduced in India.'
>
> I did read that in your initial mail but told myself - How does it matter?
> C. caudatus may have been introduced on a larger scale but there may have
> been introduction of C. diversifolius also (and not so well documented or
> by accident).
>
> It's also true that if you do not have a complete set of images / data you
> have limited choice.
>
> OK....Let's split the labour.... I try to dig out the keys / papers and
> you try dig out the historical facts!
>
> Regards,
>
> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 5:23 PM, Dinesh Valke <dinesh.va...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Samir, I marked a copy to Tabish because my plant features in Flowers of
>> India <http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Wild%20Cosmos.html>
>> :-)
>> He should be aware of the outcome of this discussion; he may even share
>> his thoughts.
>> Hopefully Shrikant ji also gives his thoughts.
>>
>> Rather than digging into keys of exotic flora, if we get to know the
>> facts / history of their introduction, that may serve our purpose. I
>> strongly believe only one of these was introduced in India.
>>
>> Regards.
>> Dinesh
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 4:58 PM, Samir Mehta <samirmeht...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I had relied on FoS for the id. Now that stands challenged – and for
>>> good reason.
>>>
>>> Point well taken; Agree with your concerns Dinesh.
>>>
>>> The two species seem to be very closely related. [I will post one
>>> Alisycarpus where I am having similar difficulty]
>>>
>>> Objective: is to take a bipartisan approach to resolving the id (not
>>> only two of us but the entire group - that's what a group is for in the
>>> first place).
>>>
>>> I suggest:
>>>
>>> 1. We try and get relevant keys of genus Cosmos.
>>> 2. Some scientific paper on the genus or something even more specific.
>>> 3. In Asteraceae the bracts are important, so the reverse of the flower
>>> face is important to demonstrate.
>>>
>>> .
>>>
>>> I am marking this mail to Shrikant Ingalhalikar also (you have already
>>> marked mail to Tabish). It will be helpful if the two gentlemen share there
>>> views also as we have relied on their respective works.
>>>
>>> I am also adding one more image to add more data on the species
>>> photographed by me. If you have more revealing images of your specimen
>>> please share them (or link) with this thread.
>>>
>>>
>>> Rgds,
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 10:26 AM, Dinesh Valke <dinesh.va...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> At the University of Michigan pages, the Notes are as follows ...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *C. diversifolius*
>>>> http://quod.lib.umich.edu/h/herb2ic/x-mich1108999/mich1108999___tif
>>>> Notes
>>>> Pine-oak forests west of summits Occasional, mostly past flower. *Rays
>>>> white, disk yellow*.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *C. caudatus*
>>>> http://quod.lib.umich.edu/h/herb2ic/x-mich1108998/MICH1108998.TIF
>>>> Notes
>>>> Ungrazed hillsides in Bouteloua grassland Abundant on banks and
>>>> disturbed ground. Annual to 2 m. high; selected small specimens; *rays
>>>> deep pink, paler after opening, and often white toward base; disk yellow*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regards.
>>>> Dinesh
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 10:19 AM, Dinesh Valke <dinesh.va...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Samir for working out to get the references used for arriving
>>>>> to *C. diversifolius*.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, Shrikant ji's 3rd book does show a picture of *C. diversifolius*
>>>>> matching posted plant's flower.
>>>>>
>>>>> Let us view a link related to *C. caudatus* in Wikimedia ...
>>>>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Cosmos_caudatus
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> and the herbarium link ...
>>>>> http://quod.lib.umich.edu/h/herb2ic/x-mich1108998/MICH1108998.TIF
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Somehow the content at both the links provided by you / me match the
>>>>> posted plant.
>>>>> We thus need someone to help us understand which of the two species
>>>>> was introduced in India.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards.
>>>>> Dinesh
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 4:01 AM, Samir Mehta <samirmeht...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> For the more technical, visit:
>>>>>> http://quod.lib.umich.edu/h/herb2ic/x-mich1108999/mich1108999___tif
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rgds,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 12:31 AM, Dinesh Valke <
>>>>>> dinesh.va...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks all for having consensus on *Cosmos diversifolius*.
>>>>>>> I had posted my plant to the group with the ID of *C. caudatus*. It
>>>>>>> was not validated positively (nor in negative until today).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This ID of *Cosmos diversifolius* is not convincing me.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Both *C. diversifolius
>>>>>>> <http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/taxon.pl?11682>* and *C.
>>>>>>> caudatus <http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/taxon.pl?11681>*
>>>>>>> are native of Latin America, Not sure if *C. diversifolius* has
>>>>>>> naturalized in our country - not mentioned in NPGS pages, rather *C.
>>>>>>> caudatus* seems to have naturalized in larger part of eastern
>>>>>>> hemisphere including India.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Results in image search on Google for these two species
>>>>>>> *diversifolius* & *caudatus* match more to *C. caudatus*.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear friends, I have put my thoughts, please validate.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards.
>>>>>>> Dinesh
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 11:35 PM, Samir Mehta <
>>>>>>> samirmeht...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes Dinesh, plant has been incorrectly identified on the group. No
>>>>>>>> wonder I did not find it when I searched for it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Paresh ji, your images are superb.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rgds,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Samir Mehta
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, October 28, 2015 at 11:09:05 PM UTC+5:30, pareshchuri
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Wonderful images Samir ji !
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes Dinesh ji, I have also photographed this plant from
>>>>>>>>> Tungreshwar WLS & got identified from Sushant More.
>>>>>>>>> It can be viewed here-
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/nectar-plants/969/Cosmos-diversifolius
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ifoundbutterflies.org%2Fnectar-plants%2F969%2FCosmos-diversifolius&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNEalkP5gbpO1_d6C7_kLKuRsB949Q>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 9:59 PM, Dinesh Valke <dinesh...@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Samir for sharing this plant; I have similar (seen planted
>>>>>>>>>> at Tungareshwar WLS) and was under the impression that it is *Cosmos
>>>>>>>>>> caudatus* Kunth.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Regards.
>>>>>>>>>> Dinesh
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 9:12 PM, Samir Mehta <samirm...@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Wild flower @ S Gujarat, October.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> New addition to group data base.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Samir Mehta
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