https://archive.org/stream/revisionofgenfisher#page/402/mode/2up
You will find the keys to the genus on above weblink. Rgds, On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 5:25 AM, Samir Mehta <samirmeht...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > <https://archive.org/stream/revisionofgenfisher#page/444/mode/2up/search/cosmos+caudatus> > https://archive.org/details/*revision*ofgenfisher > > https://archive.org/details/revisionofgenfisher > > <https://archive.org/stream/revisionofgenfisher#page/444/mode/2up/search/cosmos+caudatus> > > > > <https://archive.org/stream/revisionofgenfisher#page/444/mode/2up/search/cosmos+caudatus> > > > https://archive.org/stream/revisionofgenfisher#page/444/mode/2up/search/cosmos+caudatus > > (above page most specific for C. diversifolius) > > > https://archive.org/stream/revisionofgenfisher#page/412/mode/2up/search/cosmos+caudatus > > (above page most specific for C. caudatus > > > I have found a publication called 'Revsion of genus Cosmos' and given > links to 2 of the most specific pages wrt C. caudaus an C. diversifolius; > However most of the stuff is in Latin (I do not know Latin), some in > English. As I cannot read all of it - even parts specific to C. cudatus and > diversifolius - I do not want to hazard a guess. [All I can say is that > achene of my plant is 2-aristate.]. > > > Kindly go through the same and give your views. > > > Regards, > > > Samir Mehta > > > On Thursday, October 29, 2015 at 5:42:37 PM UTC+5:30, Samir Mehta wrote: >> >> 'Rather than digging into keys of exotic flora, if we get to know the >> facts / history of their introduction, that may serve our purpose. I >> strongly believe only one of these was introduced in India.' >> >> I did read that in your initial mail but told myself - How does it >> matter? C. caudatus may have been introduced on a larger scale but there >> may have been introduction of C. diversifolius also (and not so well >> documented or by accident). >> >> It's also true that if you do not have a complete set of images / data >> you have limited choice. >> >> OK....Let's split the labour.... I try to dig out the keys / papers and >> you try dig out the historical facts! >> >> Regards, >> >> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 5:23 PM, Dinesh Valke <dinesh.va...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Samir, I marked a copy to Tabish because my plant features in Flowers >>> of India >>> <http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Wild%20Cosmos.html> :-) >>> He should be aware of the outcome of this discussion; he may even share >>> his thoughts. >>> Hopefully Shrikant ji also gives his thoughts. >>> >>> Rather than digging into keys of exotic flora, if we get to know the >>> facts / history of their introduction, that may serve our purpose. I >>> strongly believe only one of these was introduced in India. >>> >>> Regards. >>> Dinesh >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 4:58 PM, Samir Mehta <samirmeht...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I had relied on FoS for the id. Now that stands challenged – and for >>>> good reason. >>>> >>>> Point well taken; Agree with your concerns Dinesh. >>>> >>>> The two species seem to be very closely related. [I will post one >>>> Alisycarpus where I am having similar difficulty] >>>> >>>> Objective: is to take a bipartisan approach to resolving the id (not >>>> only two of us but the entire group - that's what a group is for in the >>>> first place). >>>> >>>> I suggest: >>>> >>>> 1. We try and get relevant keys of genus Cosmos. >>>> 2. Some scientific paper on the genus or something even more specific. >>>> 3. In Asteraceae the bracts are important, so the reverse of the flower >>>> face is important to demonstrate. >>>> >>>> . >>>> >>>> I am marking this mail to Shrikant Ingalhalikar also (you have already >>>> marked mail to Tabish). It will be helpful if the two gentlemen share there >>>> views also as we have relied on their respective works. >>>> >>>> I am also adding one more image to add more data on the species >>>> photographed by me. If you have more revealing images of your specimen >>>> please share them (or link) with this thread. >>>> >>>> >>>> Rgds, >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 10:26 AM, Dinesh Valke <dinesh.va...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> At the University of Michigan pages, the Notes are as follows ... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *C. diversifolius* >>>>> http://quod.lib.umich.edu/h/herb2ic/x-mich1108999/mich1108999___tif >>>>> Notes >>>>> Pine-oak forests west of summits Occasional, mostly past flower. *Rays >>>>> white, disk yellow*. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *C. caudatus* >>>>> http://quod.lib.umich.edu/h/herb2ic/x-mich1108998/MICH1108998.TIF >>>>> Notes >>>>> Ungrazed hillsides in Bouteloua grassland Abundant on banks and >>>>> disturbed ground. Annual to 2 m. high; selected small specimens; *rays >>>>> deep pink, paler after opening, and often white toward base; disk yellow* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Regards. >>>>> Dinesh >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 10:19 AM, Dinesh Valke <dinesh.va...@gmail.com >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Thanks Samir for working out to get the references used for arriving >>>>>> to *C. diversifolius*. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes, Shrikant ji's 3rd book does show a picture of *C. diversifolius* >>>>>> matching posted plant's flower. >>>>>> >>>>>> Let us view a link related to *C. caudatus* in Wikimedia ... >>>>>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Cosmos_caudatus >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> and the herbarium link ... >>>>>> http://quod.lib.umich.edu/h/herb2ic/x-mich1108998/MICH1108998.TIF >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Somehow the content at both the links provided by you / me match the >>>>>> posted plant. >>>>>> We thus need someone to help us understand which of the two species >>>>>> was introduced in India. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards. >>>>>> Dinesh >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 4:01 AM, Samir Mehta <samirmeht...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> For the more technical, visit: >>>>>>> http://quod.lib.umich.edu/h/herb2ic/x-mich1108999/mich1108999___tif >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Rgds, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 12:31 AM, Dinesh Valke < >>>>>>> dinesh.va...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks all for having consensus on *Cosmos diversifolius*. >>>>>>>> I had posted my plant to the group with the ID of *C. caudatus*. >>>>>>>> It was not validated positively (nor in negative until today). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This ID of *Cosmos diversifolius* is not convincing me. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Both *C. diversifolius >>>>>>>> <http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/taxon.pl?11682>* and *C. >>>>>>>> caudatus <http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/taxon.pl?11681>* >>>>>>>> are native of Latin America, Not sure if *C. diversifolius* has >>>>>>>> naturalized in our country - not mentioned in NPGS pages, rather *C. >>>>>>>> caudatus* seems to have naturalized in larger part of eastern >>>>>>>> hemisphere including India. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Results in image search on Google for these two species >>>>>>>> *diversifolius* & *caudatus* match more to *C. caudatus*. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dear friends, I have put my thoughts, please validate. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards. >>>>>>>> Dinesh >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 11:35 PM, Samir Mehta < >>>>>>>> samirmeht...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Yes Dinesh, plant has been incorrectly identified on the group. No >>>>>>>>> wonder I did not find it when I searched for it. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Paresh ji, your images are superb. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Rgds, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Samir Mehta >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, October 28, 2015 at 11:09:05 PM UTC+5:30, >>>>>>>>> pareshchuri wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Wonderful images Samir ji ! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Yes Dinesh ji, I have also photographed this plant from >>>>>>>>>> Tungreshwar WLS & got identified from Sushant More. >>>>>>>>>> It can be viewed here- >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/nectar-plants/969/Cosmos-diversifolius >>>>>>>>>> <http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ifoundbutterflies.org%2Fnectar-plants%2F969%2FCosmos-diversifolius&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNEalkP5gbpO1_d6C7_kLKuRsB949Q> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 9:59 PM, Dinesh Valke < >>>>>>>>>> dinesh...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Samir for sharing this plant; I have similar (seen >>>>>>>>>>> planted at Tungareshwar WLS) and was under the impression that it >>>>>>>>>>> is *Cosmos >>>>>>>>>>> caudatus* Kunth. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Regards. >>>>>>>>>>> Dinesh >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 9:12 PM, Samir Mehta < >>>>>>>>>>> samirm...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Wild flower @ S Gujarat, October. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> New addition to group data base. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Samir Mehta >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>>>>>>> it, send an email to indiantreepi...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to indian...@googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>>> Visit this group at >>>>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. >>>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>>>>>> it, send an email to indiantreepi...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to indian...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix >>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/indiantreepix/VH_yTkIuR50/unsubscribe. > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to indiantreepix@googlegroups.com. > > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. 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