Dear Neil ji and Pardeshi ji Now a million dollar question, especially to Neil ji. I knew about both differences between T. cuneata (T.arjuna) and T. elliptica (T. tomentosa): bark and nerves on fruit wings, but some books mention about longer leaves, longer infl, and much extended wings (1-1.5 cm in T. elliptica as against usually less than 5 mm in T. cuneata). My two uploaded plants (Terminalia-1 and Terminalia-2), did show these differences but did not have photographs of bark or wing nerves. How come Neil ji and some other members were able to identify both as T. cuneata. I would love to know that. Incidentally both had smooth bark.
-- Dr. Gurcharan Singh Retired Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 9:40 AM, Pardeshi S. <satishparde...@gmail.com>wrote: > Hello all > Terminalia aruna can be observed growing along the stream, where as T. > crenulata grows far away from the stream. > > Regards > Satish Pardeshi > > On May 5, 10:20 pm, Neil Soares <drneilsoa...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > Hi Prof. Singh, > > Photographs of both trees posted by you appear to be of Terminalia > arjuna. Have both these trees on my property. > > If I may try and explain the differences: > > 1. T.arjuna / T.cuneata [Arjun] has a smooth, white bark flaking off in > layers and resembles the bark of a Guava tree, whereas T.elliptica / > T.tomentosa / T.crenulata [Ain] has a dark brown deeply fissured bark which > is often referred to as ' Crocodile bark'. > > 2. As Mr. Ingalhalikar has pointed out the lines on the wings of the > fruit are curved in T.arjuna whereas they are straight in T.elliptica. > > 3. T.arjuna can stand waterlogging and hence is growing well in the > middle of my stream, but have always encountered T.elliptica far away from > the banks of the stream. > > With regards, > > Neil Soares. > > > > --- On Wed, 5/5/10, Gurcharan Singh <singh...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > From: Gurcharan Singh <singh...@gmail.com> > > Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:34106] Re: Riparian Trees | ID 06Mar2010AR01 > > To: "shrikant ingalhalikar" <le...@rediffmail.com> > > Cc: "efloraofindia" <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com> > > Date: Wednesday, May 5, 2010, 8:38 PM > > > > Thanks Shrikant ji for removing my confusion > > But perhaps, I am still not clear. I will be uploading my photographs > separately for you to have a look at them > > > > -- > > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > > Retired Associate Professor > > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > > > > On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 7:47 PM, shrikant ingalhalikar < > le...@rediffmail.com> wrote: > > > > Dear Dr. Singhji, > > I have identified the tree as T. cuneata syn T, arjuna (not as T. > > elliptica syn T. crenulata) from the stem, bark and fruits. T. cuneata > > has uneven stem with yellowish white bark. T. elliptica has tall > > cylindric stem with rough bark (crocodile back). The key goes as > > below. > > Fruits 5-winged, spikes panicled > > -Wings of fruits hard, lines on wings curved upwards > T. > > cuneata > > -Wings of fruits papery, lines on wings straight > T. > > elliptica > > Hope this sorts out the confusion. Regards, Shrikant > > > > On May 5, 4:47 pm, Gurcharan Singh <singh...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shrikant ji > > > I just found out that T. elliptica is closer to (or correct name for) > T. > > > crenulata (T. tomentosa). If distinct how to differentiate the two. > GRIN as > > > well as Useful plants of India treat them distinct (latter T. alata > (syn: T. > > > tomentosa) and T. crenulata (T. tomentosa var. crenulata)). > > > > > -- > > > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > > > Retired Associate Professor > > > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > > > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > > > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > > > > > On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 4:43 PM, Gurcharan Singh <singh...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > Shrikant ji > > > > Perhaps more than 80 per cent trees in our big area of Janak Puri and > Vikas > > > > Puri belong to Terminalia that have been confusing me for a long > time. > > > > Finally I thought I had solved mystery and identified two species T. > arjuna > > > > and T. tomentosa (correctly known as T. crenulata) largely on the > basis of > > > > shorter spikes, early flowering April-May, and smaller wings in T. > arjuna > > > > and longer spikes, late flowering May-June and longer wings in T. > tomentosa, > > > > although I could not verify often mentioned rough bark in latter. > With your > > > > identifying above plant as T. elliptica (syn T. alata), I am again in > > > > dilemma as my Brandis Indian Trees does not include either. Could you > kindly > > > > tell me how to differentiate T. arjuna from T. elliptica?. > > > > > > -- > > > > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > > > > Retired Associate Professor > > > > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > > > > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > > > > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > > > >http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > > > > > > On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 4:16 PM, shrikant ingalhalikar < > > > > le...@rediffmail.com> wrote: > > > > > >> Terminalia cuneata or Arjun tree. Regards, Shrikant > > > > > >> On May 5, 2:38 pm, raghu ananth <raghu_...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > >> > While we took a small break near the rivers of the Anchetty > forests, we > > > >> came across many of these interesting tree species, most of them > rested in > > > >> the banks or in the midst of the river, gone dry in summer. The > trees in > > > >> these scrub forests are dwarf except in these rivulets where they > reach > > > >> great heights upto 120 feet. We watched a number of such trees > amidst the > > > >> river during our drive for more than 10 kms (Mar 2010). Wonder how > these > > > >> trees withstand the gushing river floods during monsoons. And most > > > >> importantly, these gigiantic trees in the rivers are untouched by > human > > > >> hands. At Hogenakkal, while hitching a ride on the coracle, the > boatman > > > >> would often take us around these trees! Some of these magnificent > trees > > > >> are several centuries old (200-350 years approx) > > > >> > Probably Mekedatu, Muttati in Karnataka, Anchetty and Hogenakal > on the > > > >> Tamilnadu-Karnataka border are the best places to see tree kinds in > the mid > > > >> of river cauvery river. I suppose Terminalia arjuna, grows quite > tall and > > > >> are found in good numbers in the turbulent Cauvery river. > > > > > >> > Date/Time- > > > >> > 08 Mar 2010 > > > >> > Location- Place, Altitude, GPS- > > > >> > Amidst the dry river stream, Anchetty - Hogenakal, Tamil Nadu > > > >> > Habitat- Garden/ Urban/ Wild/ Type- > > > >> > River banks, streams, rivulets, Wild, forest > > > >> > Plant Habit- Tree/ Shrub/ Climber/ Herb- > > > >> > Tree > > > >> > Height/Length- > > > >> > 50-60 feet > > > >> > Leaves Type/ Shape/ Size- > > > >> > alternate, elliptic, 5 inches > > > >> > Inflorescence Type/ Size- > > > >> > - > > > >> > Flowers Size/ Colour/ Calyx/ Bracts- > > > >> > Not seen > > > >> > Fruits Type/ Shape/ Size Seeds- > > > >> > 5 winged fruit, Brownish red > > > >> > Other Information like Fragrance, Pollinator, Uses etc.- > Definitely not > > > >> a Vitex leucoxylon tree / T.elliptica /T. crenulata > > > > > >> > -- > > > >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > > >> Groups "efloraofindia" group. > > > >> > To post to this group, send email to > indiantree...@googlegroups.com. > > > >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > >> indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<indiantreepix%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> > <indiantreepix%2bunsubscr...@goog legroups.com> > > > >> . > > > >> > For more options, visit this group athttp:// > > > >> groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix?hl=en. > > > > > >> > DSC_0110a8.jpg > > > >> > 151KViewDownload > > > > > >> > DSC_0110a10.jpg > > > >> > 74KViewDownload > > > > > >> > DSC_0116_Leaf11.jpg > > > >> > 63KViewDownload > > > > > >> > DSC_0115_Seeds.jpg > > > >> > 81KViewDownload > > > > > >> > DSC_0105a_Tree1.jpg > > > >> > 190KViewDownload > > > > > >> > DSC_0111a_Trunk.jpg > > > >> > 164KViewDownload > > > > > >> > DSC_0112TrunkUpper.jpg > > > >> > 187KViewDownload > > > > > >> > DSC_0116_LeafCloseUp.jpg > > > >> > 85KViewDownload > > > > > >> -- > > > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > > > >> "efloraofindia" group. > > > >> To post to this group, send email to indiantreepix@googlegroups.com > . > > > >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > >> indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<indiantreepix%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> > <indiantreepix%2bunsubscr...@goog legroups.com> > > > >> . > > > >> For more options, visit this group at > > > >>http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix?hl=en. > > > > > > -- > > > > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > > > > Retired Associate Professor > > > > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > > > > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > > > > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > > > >http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > > > > > x > > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "efloraofindia" group. > > > To post to this group, send email to indiantree...@googlegroups.com. > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<indiantreepix%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> > . > > > For more options, visit this group athttp:// > groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix?hl=en.-Hide quoted text - 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