Neil ji I will be looking forward for photographs, especially the fruits.
-- Dr. Gurcharan Singh Retired Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 1:01 PM, Neil Soares <drneilsoa...@yahoo.com> wrote: > Hi Prof. Singh, > Am not a trained botanist, but can tell the diference between the two > by looking at the leaves. Generally T.elliptica leaves are darker, larger, > thicker and with a more pointed apex than T.arjuna which have light green > leaves with rounder tips. > Will send photographs on Sunday to illustrate my point when I will be > next visiting my property. > Regards, > Neil. > > --- On *Thu, 5/6/10, Gurcharan Singh <singh...@gmail.com>* wrote: > > > From: Gurcharan Singh <singh...@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:34133] Re: Riparian Trees | ID 06Mar2010AR01 > To: "Pardeshi S." <satishparde...@gmail.com> > > Cc: "efloraofindia" <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com> > Date: Thursday, May 6, 2010, 12:46 PM > > Dear Neil ji and Pardeshi ji > Now a million dollar question, especially to Neil ji. > I knew about both differences between T. cuneata (T.arjuna) and T. > elliptica (T. tomentosa): bark and nerves on fruit wings, but some books > mention about longer leaves, longer infl, and much extended wings (1-1.5 cm > in T. elliptica as against usually less than 5 mm in T. cuneata). My two > uploaded plants (Terminalia-1 and Terminalia-2), did show these differences > but did not have photographs of bark or wing nerves. How come Neil ji and > some other members were able to identify both as T. cuneata. I would love to > know that. Incidentally both had smooth bark. > > -- > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > Retired Associate Professor > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > > On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 9:40 AM, Pardeshi S. > <satishparde...@gmail.com<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=satishparde...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > >> Hello all >> Terminalia aruna can be observed growing along the stream, where as T. >> crenulata grows far away from the stream. >> >> Regards >> Satish Pardeshi >> >> On May 5, 10:20 pm, Neil Soares >> <drneilsoa...@yahoo.com<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=drneilsoa...@yahoo.com>> >> wrote: >> > Hi Prof. Singh, >> > Photographs of both trees posted by you appear to be of Terminalia >> arjuna. Have both these trees on my property. >> > If I may try and explain the differences: >> > 1. T.arjuna / T.cuneata [Arjun] has a smooth, white bark flaking off in >> layers and resembles the bark of a Guava tree, whereas T.elliptica / >> T.tomentosa / T.crenulata [Ain] has a dark brown deeply fissured bark which >> is often referred to as ' Crocodile bark'. >> > 2. As Mr. Ingalhalikar has pointed out the lines on the wings of the >> fruit are curved in T.arjuna whereas they are straight in T.elliptica. >> > 3. T.arjuna can stand waterlogging and hence is growing well in the >> middle of my stream, but have always encountered T.elliptica far away from >> the banks of the stream. >> > With regards, >> > Neil Soares. >> > >> > --- On Wed, 5/5/10, Gurcharan Singh >> > <singh...@gmail.com<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=singh...@gmail.com>> >> wrote: >> > >> > From: Gurcharan Singh >> > <singh...@gmail.com<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=singh...@gmail.com> >> > >> > Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:34106] Re: Riparian Trees | ID 06Mar2010AR01 >> > To: "shrikant ingalhalikar" >> > <le...@rediffmail.com<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=le...@rediffmail.com> >> > >> > Cc: "efloraofindia" >> > <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=indiantree...@googlegroups.com> >> > >> > Date: Wednesday, May 5, 2010, 8:38 PM >> > >> > Thanks Shrikant ji for removing my confusion >> > But perhaps, I am still not clear. I will be uploading my photographs >> separately for you to have a look at them >> > >> > -- >> > Dr. Gurcharan Singh >> > Retired Associate Professor >> > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >> > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >> > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >> > >> > On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 7:47 PM, shrikant ingalhalikar < >> le...@rediffmail.com<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=le...@rediffmail.com>> >> wrote: >> > >> > Dear Dr. Singhji, >> > I have identified the tree as T. cuneata syn T, arjuna (not as T. >> > elliptica syn T. crenulata) from the stem, bark and fruits. T. cuneata >> > has uneven stem with yellowish white bark. T. elliptica has tall >> > cylindric stem with rough bark (crocodile back). The key goes as >> > below. >> > Fruits 5-winged, spikes panicled >> > -Wings of fruits hard, lines on wings curved upwards > T. >> > cuneata >> > -Wings of fruits papery, lines on wings straight > T. >> > elliptica >> > Hope this sorts out the confusion. Regards, Shrikant >> > >> > On May 5, 4:47 pm, Gurcharan Singh >> > <singh...@gmail.com<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=singh...@gmail.com>> >> wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Shrikant ji >> > > I just found out that T. elliptica is closer to (or correct name for) >> T. >> > > crenulata (T. tomentosa). If distinct how to differentiate the two. >> GRIN as >> > > well as Useful plants of India treat them distinct (latter T. alata >> (syn: T. >> > > tomentosa) and T. crenulata (T. tomentosa var. crenulata)). >> > >> > > -- >> > > Dr. Gurcharan Singh >> > > Retired Associate Professor >> > > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >> > > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >> > > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >> > >> > > On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 4:43 PM, Gurcharan Singh >> > > <singh...@gmail.com<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=singh...@gmail.com>> >> wrote: >> > > > Shrikant ji >> > > > Perhaps more than 80 per cent trees in our big area of Janak Puri >> and Vikas >> > > > Puri belong to Terminalia that have been confusing me for a long >> time. >> > > > Finally I thought I had solved mystery and identified two species T. >> arjuna >> > > > and T. tomentosa (correctly known as T. crenulata) largely on the >> basis of >> > > > shorter spikes, early flowering April-May, and smaller wings in T. >> arjuna >> > > > and longer spikes, late flowering May-June and longer wings in T. >> tomentosa, >> > > > although I could not verify often mentioned rough bark in latter. >> With your >> > > > identifying above plant as T. elliptica (syn T. alata), I am again >> in >> > > > dilemma as my Brandis Indian Trees does not include either. Could >> you kindly >> > > > tell me how to differentiate T. arjuna from T. elliptica?. >> > >> > > > -- >> > > > Dr. Gurcharan Singh >> > > > Retired Associate Professor >> > > > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >> > > > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >> > > > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >> > > >http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >> > >> > > > On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 4:16 PM, shrikant ingalhalikar < >> > > > le...@rediffmail.com<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=le...@rediffmail.com>> >> wrote: >> > >> > > >> Terminalia cuneata or Arjun tree. Regards, Shrikant >> > >> > > >> On May 5, 2:38 pm, raghu ananth >> > > >> <raghu_...@yahoo.com<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=raghu_...@yahoo.com>> >> wrote: >> > > >> > While we took a small break near the rivers of the Anchetty >> forests, we >> > > >> came across many of these interesting tree species, most of them >> rested in >> > > >> the banks or in the midst of the river, gone dry in summer. The >> trees in >> > > >> these scrub forests are dwarf except in these rivulets where they >> reach >> > > >> great heights upto 120 feet. We watched a number of such trees >> amidst the >> > > >> river during our drive for more than 10 kms (Mar 2010). Wonder >> how these >> > > >> trees withstand the gushing river floods during monsoons. And most >> > > >> importantly, these gigiantic trees in the rivers are untouched by >> human >> > > >> hands. At Hogenakkal, while hitching a ride on the coracle, the >> boatman >> > > >> would often take us around these trees! Some of these magnificent >> trees >> > > >> are several centuries old (200-350 years approx) >> > > >> > Probably Mekedatu, Muttati in Karnataka, Anchetty and Hogenakal >> on the >> > > >> Tamilnadu-Karnataka border are the best places to see tree kinds in >> the mid >> > > >> of river cauvery river. I suppose Terminalia arjuna, grows quite >> tall and >> > > >> are found in good numbers in the turbulent Cauvery river. >> > >> > > >> > Date/Time- >> > > >> > 08 Mar 2010 >> > > >> > Location- Place, Altitude, GPS- >> > > >> > Amidst the dry river stream, Anchetty - Hogenakal, Tamil Nadu >> > > >> > Habitat- Garden/ Urban/ Wild/ Type- >> > > >> > River banks, streams, rivulets, Wild, forest >> > > >> > Plant Habit- Tree/ Shrub/ Climber/ Herb- >> > > >> > Tree >> > > >> > Height/Length- >> > > >> > 50-60 feet >> > > >> > Leaves Type/ Shape/ Size- >> > > >> > alternate, elliptic, 5 inches >> > > >> > Inflorescence Type/ Size- >> > > >> > - >> > > >> > Flowers Size/ Colour/ Calyx/ Bracts- >> > > >> > Not seen >> > > >> > Fruits Type/ Shape/ Size Seeds- >> > > >> > 5 winged fruit, Brownish red >> > > >> > Other Information like Fragrance, Pollinator, Uses etc.- >> Definitely not >> > > >> a Vitex leucoxylon tree / T.elliptica /T. crenulata >> > >> > > >> > -- >> > > >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the >> Google >> > > >> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >> > > >> > To post to this group, send email to >> indiantreepix@googlegroups.com<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=indiantree...@googlegroups.com> >> . >> > > >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> > > >> indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=indiantreepix%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> >> <indiantreepix%2bunsubscr...@goog legroups.com> >> > > >> . >> > > >> > For more options, visit this group athttp:// >> > > >> groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix?hl=en. >> > >> > > >> > DSC_0110a8.jpg >> > > >> > 151KViewDownload >> > >> > > >> > DSC_0110a10.jpg >> > > >> > 74KViewDownload >> > >> > > >> > DSC_0116_Leaf11.jpg >> > > >> > 63KViewDownload >> > >> > > >> > DSC_0115_Seeds.jpg >> > > >> > 81KViewDownload >> > >> > > >> > DSC_0105a_Tree1.jpg >> > > >> > 190KViewDownload >> > >> > > >> > DSC_0111a_Trunk.jpg >> > > >> > 164KViewDownload >> > >> > > >> > DSC_0112TrunkUpper.jpg >> > > >> > 187KViewDownload >> > >> > > >> > DSC_0116_LeafCloseUp.jpg >> > > >> > 85KViewDownload >> > >> > > >> -- >> > > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups >> > > >> "efloraofindia" group. >> > > >> To post to this group, send email to >> indiantreepix@googlegroups.com<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=indiantree...@googlegroups.com> >> . >> > > >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> > > >> indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=indiantreepix%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> >> <indiantreepix%2bunsubscr...@goog legroups.com> >> > > >> . >> > > >> For more options, visit this group at >> > > >>http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix?hl=en. >> > >> > > > -- >> > > > Dr. Gurcharan Singh >> > > > Retired Associate Professor >> > > > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >> > > > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >> > > > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >> > > >http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >> > >> > > x >> > >> > > -- >> > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >> > > To post to this group, send email to >> > > indiantreepix@googlegroups.com<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=indiantree...@googlegroups.com> >> . >> > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=indiantreepix%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> >> . >> > > For more options, visit this group athttp:// >> groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix?hl=en.-Hide quoted text - 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