Dear friends, ... for sake of convenience, have split the thread per query, as follows:
1) what could be the reason for mistaking identities of moong and urid ? ... http://groups.google.co.in/group/indiantreepix/browse_thread/thread/920d5a83115574cd?hl=en# 2) on what basis are the facts ascertained (that V. mungo is urd and V. radiata is moong ) ? ... http://groups.google.co.in/group/indiantreepix/browse_thread/thread/19b5940ea41b6bf3?hl=en# 3) why the reverse naming (i.e. why was mung not named Vigna mungo) ? ... http://groups.google.co.in/group/indiantreepix/browse_thread/thread/4405ff6402e20ebc?hl=en# 4) is the epithet mungo commemorative for the Scottish explorer of the African continent, Mungo Park (1771 – 1806) ? ... if so, what were the regional (native) names of mung called earlier to coining the epithet. ... http://groups.google.co.in/group/indiantreepix/browse_thread/thread/8088575e1a13f9ab?hl=en# 5) how many other species share this epithet ? ... could not get any search results for floral species ... fauna, some species of mongoose. ... http://groups.google.co.in/group/indiantreepix/browse_thread/thread/5e21ce9e0946fda1?hl=en# Will appreciate responses in those threads ... assuming it will easy for all of us. Regards. On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 3:16 PM, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear friends, > > Now realizing of having put a host of queries in a single post ... may > become a burdensome thread. > Splitting this post query-wise. Responses are solicited accordingly. > > > Regards. > > > > > > On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 2:38 PM, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Dear friends, please bear with elaborating the fuss with *RADIATA* and * >> MUNGO* ... however the confusion seems to be reigning. >> >> A line at Wikipedia throws slight light over the confusion: >> Urad (*Vigna mungo*), ... It, along with the mung bean, was placed in * >> Phaseolus* but has been transferred to *Vigna*. It was at one point >> considered to belong to the *same* species as the mung bean. >> ... >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urad_(bean)<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urad_%28bean%29> >> >> >> We have the following as fact: >> *Vigna radiata* (syn. *Phaseolus radiatus*) ... MOONG, GREEN GRAM >> *Vigna mungo* (syn. *Phaseolus mungo*) ... UDID, URD, BLACK GRAM >> >> >> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ >> ~ >> In search of *Vigna mungo* or the the more popular *Phaseolus mungo*, ... >> following contradicting results: >> >> Names in all languages for moong, for *Phaseolus mungo* ... ENVIS - FRLHT >> ... http://envis.frlht.org/plant_details.php?disp_id=2194 >> >> HINDI ... >> http://dsal.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/philologic/search3advanced?dbname=platts&query=Phaseolus+mungo&matchtype=exact&display=utf8 >> H مونگ मूंग mūṅg [Prk. मुग्गो; S. मुट्गः], s.m. A species of pulse, >> Phaseolus mungo >> >> KASHMIRI ... >> http://dsal.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/philologic/search3advanced?dbname=grierson&query=mungo&matchtype=exact&display=utf8 >> mŏng 1 म्वंग् । मुद्गः m. a species of pulse, Phaseolus Mungo (El. >> Phaseolus Max or Radiatus) >> >> MARATHI ... >> http://dsal.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/romadict.pl?query=%E0%A4%AE%E0%A5%82%E0%A4%97&searchhws=yes&display=utf8&table=molesworth >> मूग (p. 662) [ mūga ] m (मुद्ग S) A grain, Phaseolus mungo >> >> PUNJABI ... >> http://dsal.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/philologic/search3advanced?dbname=singh&query=MUṆG&matchtype=exact&display=utf8<http://dsal.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/philologic/search3advanced?dbname=singh&query=MU%E1%B9%86G&matchtype=exact&display=utf8> >> MÚṆG ਮੂੰਗ s. f. A plant (Phaseolus mungo, Nat. Ord. Leguminosæ) >> >> SANSKRIT ... >> http://dsal.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/philologic/search3advanced?dbname=apte&query=mungo&matchtype=exact&display=utf8 >> रसः rasḥ : (page 1331) ... (-मः) 1 quicksilver.-2 Phaseolus Mungo (Mar. >> मूग). >> सौख्यम् saukhyam : (page 177) ... -दायकः Phaseolus Mungo (Mar. मूग). >> हयः hayḥ : (page 1748) ... .-आनन्दः green grain of Phaselous Mungo (Mar. >> हिरवे मूग) >> मुद्ग (p. 230) [ mud-gá ] m. kind of kidney-bean (Phaseolus Mungo: the >> plant and the seed). >> >> TAMIL ... >> http://dsal.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/philologic/search3advanced?dbname=tamillex&query=mungo&matchtype=exact&display=utf8 >> சிறுபயறு ciṟu-payaṟu, n. < id. +. 1. Green gram, Phaseolus mungo; >> பச்சைப்பயறு paccai-p-payaṟu, n. < id. +. 1. Green gram, Phaseolus mungo; >> பயறு payaṟu, n. ... Green-gram, Phaseolus mungo >> >> TELUGU ... >> http://dsal.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/philologic/search3advanced?dbname=gwynn&query=mungo&matchtype=exact&display=utf8 >> pesara n. (gen. pl. pesalu) greengram, phaseolus mungo >> >> >> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ >> ~ >> In search of *adad*, *udid*, *urad*, *urd* ... following contradictory >> results: >> >> GUJARATI ... >> http://www.gujaratilexicon.com/index.php?action=dictionary&chngdictype=EG >> અડદ adad m. pl. kind of pulse, black beans, phaseolus radiatus >> >> HINDI ... >> http://dsal.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/philologic/search3advanced?dbname=platts&query=%E0%A4%89%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%A6&matchtype=exact&display=utf8 >> H ارد उरद urd, urad, s.m. A kind of vetch, Dolichos pilosus >> >> MARATHI ... >> http://dsal.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/romadict.pl?query=उडीद&searchhws=yes&display=utf8&table=molesworth<http://dsal.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/romadict.pl?query=%E0%A4%89%E0%A4%A1%E0%A5%80%E0%A4%A6&searchhws=yes&display=utf8&table=molesworth> >> उडीद (p. 091) [ uḍīda ] m A pulse, Phaseolus radiatus >> >> PUNJABI ... >> http://dsal.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/philologic/search3advanced?dbname=singh&query=uṛd&matchtype=exact&display=utf8<http://dsal.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/philologic/search3advanced?dbname=singh&query=u%E1%B9%9Bd&matchtype=exact&display=utf8> >> MÁṆH ਮਾਂਹ s. m. A kind of grain (Phaseolus radiatus, P. Roxburghii, Nat. >> Ord. Leguminosæ) of which an edible pulse is made, (i. e. uṛd); >> >> >> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ >> ~ >> MIX-UP >> >> *IMPGC ... http://impgc.com/plantinfo_A.php?id=307&bc* >> Botanical Name: Phaseolus mungo L. non Gagn. >> English Name: Black gram, Mung bean, Urd bean. >> Synonym(s): Vigna mungo (L.) Hepper Azukia mungo (L.) Masam., Phaseolus >> mungo L. non Roxb. & auct. mult., Phaseolus mungoradiatus sensu >> Baker,Phaseolus radiatus Roxb., non L., Phaseolus roxburghii Wight & Arn., >> Vigna mungo (L.) Hepper var mungo. >> >> *NPGS / GRIN ... http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/taxon.pl?41621 >> * >> black gram (Source: World Econ Pl ) - English >> moong (Source: Dict Rehm ) - India >> >> *M.M.P.N.D. ... >> http://www.plantnames.unimelb.edu.au/Sorting/Vigna.html#mungo* >> SYNONYM(S) : Azukia mungo (L.) Masam., Phaseolus mungo L. non Gagn., >> Phaseolus mungo L. non Roxb. & auct. mult., Phaseolus mungo L. var. radiatus >> sensu Baker, Phaseolus radiatus Roxb., non L., Phaseolus roxburghii Wight >> & Arn., Vigna mungo (L.) Hepper var mungo. >> HINDI : उरद Urd, उर्द, मूंग. >> >> >> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ >> ~ >> All this ado raised a few queries in my mind: >> >> 1) what could be the reason for mistaking identities of *moong* and *urid >> * ? >> 2) on what basis are the facts ascertained (that *V. mungo* is *urd* and >> *V. radiata* is *moong* ) ? >> 3) why the reverse naming (i.e. why was mung not named *Vigna mungo*) ? >> 4) is the epithet *mungo* commemorative for the Scottish explorer of the >> African continent, Mungo Park (1771 – 1806) ? >> ... if so, what were the regional (native) names of mung called earlier to >> coining the epithet. >> 5) how many other species share this epithet ? ... could not get any >> search results for floral species ... fauna, some species of mongoose. >> >> Regards. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 8:42 AM, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Gurcharan ji, many thanks for validation ... yes... Pankaj ji has given >>> me correct IDs. >>> Certainly, the entries for the pulses have their botanical names put >>> incorrectly in the Digital Dictionary at >>> http://dsal.uchicago.edu/dictionaries/molesworth/ >>> >>> Many many thanks Pankaj ji. >>> >>> Regards. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 7:03 AM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> Dinesh ji >>>> Pankaj ji had put you on right track. You are again getting confused. >>>> Just remember this reverse relationship. Moong is Vigna radiata and Urd is >>>> V. mungo. Our students used to get confused also. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ <http://people.du.ac.in/%7Esinghg45/> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 12:34 AM, Dinesh Valke >>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Referring A dictionary, Marathi and English by Molesworth, J. T. (James >>>>> Thomas), got following results for: >>>>> >>>>> *Mung*: *Phaseolus mungo* ... (current name: *Vigna mungo* var. *mungo >>>>> *) >>>>> ... >>>>> http://dsal.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/romadict.pl?query=m%C5%ABga&searchhws=yes&display=utf8&table=molesworth >>>>> >>>>> *Udid*: *Phaseolus radiatus* ... (current name: *Vigna radiata* var. * >>>>> radiata*) >>>>> ... >>>>> http://dsal.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/romadict.pl?query=u%E1%B8%8D%C4%ABda&searchhws=yes&display=utf8&table=molesworth >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Dear friends, please comment / validate. >>>>> >>>>> Regards. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 12:03 AM, Dinesh Valke >>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Many thanks to Pankaj ji for his response: >>>>>> >>>>>> ..................................................................... >>>>>> >>>>>> Vigna radiata- Moong. Green Gram >>>>>> >>>>>> Vigna mungo-Udid, Urd Black Gram. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Pankaj Oudhia >>>>>> >>>>>> ................................................................ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 10:36 PM, Dinesh Valke <[email protected] >>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear friends, >>>>>>> Got confused while getting scientific names for *moong* and *udid*... >>>>>>> please help. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> [email protected]<indiantreepix%[email protected]> >>>>> . >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix?hl=en. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. 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