Thank you Mr. Garg. Sorry for the delay in replying. I was utilising my indoor stay to look up more Viola resources. I am still not fully convinced that this is Viola pilosa, especially if the other plants submitted by Saroj ji and Anurag are also the same species. Please let me explain my doubts:
1. FOC says that the anterior petal is the shortest in V. pilosa, in my samples it is not the case. In Anurag <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/Uwu7e-CAMnM> and Saroj ji’s <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/b-0KWOphM8g> posts, the anterior petal is visibly narrower and shorter than the rest. In this sense they have a better claim to be V. pilosa than my sample. 2. The style in both posts projects well beyond the stamens and does not look inflated. In my samples that is not the case. 3. The lateral sepals in both posts are conspicuously bearded at the base. In my samples, the hair is difficult to see without magnification. 4. The flower colour in both posts is closer to white, agreeing with the V. pilosa. My samples are uniformly mauve and I have found only one close-to-white flower amongst hundreds of plants. I hope you understand my concern regarding this viola. I am at it for close to five years and still not sure of its identity. Thank you once again. Warm regards, Ashwini > On 21-Mar-2020, at 9:01 PM, J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Thanks, Ashwini ji, for the wonderful images. > I will go for Viola pilosa > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/v/violaceae/viola/viola-pilosa> > only. > Stipules are quite variable. > > On Sat, 21 Mar 2020 at 19:37, Ashwini Bhatia <mcleodw...@gmail.com > <mailto:mcleodw...@gmail.com>> wrote: > Dear Mr. Garg, > I have collected more evidence for this species and am nowhere closer to a > proper ID. A few points: > > 1. The flowers are almost always violet. I am yet to see a lighter > violet/white variety in this species. > 2. The flowering starts in January and the flowers are seen till April. > 3. The lower petal is the same size as the other petals and is always > prominently visible. > 4. The lateral petals have hairs at their base but the hairs are not > conspicuous. > 5. The top part of each stamen is deep yellow. The stamens cover the style > for most of its length with only the stigma and a little of the style visible > above the stamen ring. > 6. The style is club shaped and beaked at the top. The ovary is only sparsely > hairy. > 7. The two nectary appendages are smooth and green. > 8. The stipules are laciniate in my opinion. There may be a mix of of > laciniate and toothed stipules on the same plant. > 9. I am yet to discern an aroma from the flowers. > > Based on these points and looking at the images, if you could suggest a > possible match, I would be very grateful. > > Thank you. > > With regards, > Ashwini > > > > > > > On Fri, 20 Mar 2020 at 12:50, Ashwini Bhatia <mcleodw...@gmail.com > <mailto:mcleodw...@gmail.com>> wrote: > Dear Mr. Garg, > Thank you very much for pursuing this again. I am also looking at the viols > closely at the moment. I have a feeling that this species is neither V. > pilosa nor V. canescens but some other species, closer to V. indica perhaps. > > I will file more photos of the two species flowering here in a day or two. If > we can find some more details on the nectar glands (or nectary appendages) > for V. pilosa and V. canescens, that could be of great help. > > Warm regards, > Ashwini > > > > >> On 20-Mar-2020, at 9:43 AM, J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com >> <mailto:jmga...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> Also ovary is glabrous here (in V. pilosa) in comparison to hairy in V. >> canescens >> Also stipule is ciliate here (in V. pilosa) in comparison to laciniate in V. >> canescens >> >> On Fri, 20 Mar 2020 at 09:37, J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com >> <mailto:jmga...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> Also ovary is glabrous. >> >> On Thu, 19 Mar 2020 at 17:11, J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com >> <mailto:jmga...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> As per keys in Flora of Pakistan: >> 13 <> (12) >> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=134607#KEY-1-12> >> Stigma beaked. Ovary glabrous (14) >> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=134607#KEY-1-14> >> + Stigma club shaped. Ovary hairy 2 Viola canescens >> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=200014339> >> >> 14 <> (13) >> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=134607#KEY-1-13> >> Leaves acuminate. Sepals lanceolate, acute, ciliate-dentate >> 3 Viola pilosa >> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=200014403> >> + Leaves obtuse. Sepals ovate, obtuse, entire 1 Viola odorata >> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=200014395> >> >> Keys as per Flora of Mizoram in efi thread >> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/wtQZmTabRQ0>: >> Leaves broadly canescent, obtuse; flower pale-violet --- Viola canescens >> Leaves pilose, deltoid, acuminate; flowers white to bluish --- Viola pilosa >> >> Here stigma is beaked and not club shaped. Leaves are acuminate and not >> obtuse. >> So, it should be Viola pilosa Blume >> >> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >> From: Ashwini Bhatia <ashw...@ashwinibhatia.com >> <mailto:ashw...@ashwinibhatia.com>> >> Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2016 at 23:32 >> Subject: [efloraofindia:240314] V. pilosa (V. serpens)? ABMAR01/05 >> To: efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com >> <mailto:indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>> >> >> >> These flowers are very abundant in our area (much more so than V. canescens) >> and I find them scattered everywhere on the hill sides on my daily walks. I >> have been seeing them since January but they started coming out in good >> numbers around mid-February. These are larger lilac/lavender flowers with >> broad lower lip and a hint of contrasting bright yellow around the stigma. >> The runners are quite common and the stipules toothed. I have seen several >> capsules with sepals and stigma still attached. The leaves and stems are >> softly hairy but much less so than those of V. canescens. >> >> Now the troubling part. While typing this message and looking at my data >> closely, I have managed to convince myself that I am not certain of its ID. >> Here is why: >> >> Viola serpens is a synonym of Viola pilosa which is now the accepted name >> according to the Plant List; >> http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl1.1/record/tro-33801418 >> <http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl1.1/record/tro-33801418> >> >> A search for V. pilosa on FlowersofIndia.net <http://flowersofindia.net/> >> shows a completely different flower but Alok Mahendroo ji’s blog shows the >> same flower as the one below under V. serpens. If they are synonyms then I >> am baffled yet again. There is more—flowersofindia gives V. serpens as a >> synonym also of V. indica (an unresolved name according to the Plant List), >> the photos of which look very similar to my sample, but my flowers are >> definitely not fragrant. It could be that V. pilosa has great variation in >> colour, size and shape and that my sample is V. pilosa aka V. serpens. >> >> First here is a page from the Linnean Society Journal which lists V. >> canescens as white and much smaller that V. serpens. My flower matches the >> description of V. serpens. >> >> I am not sure how to proceed from here. Is my sample V. pilosa or a hybrid >> or a local variation? Is it a variety of Viola canina? I am in great need of >> expert advice. 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