Thanks, Saroj ji, That means the keys given in the book are not correct to differentiate the two. Can you get the keys between the two, from him?
On Wed, 29 Mar 2023 at 13:27, Saroj Kasaju <kasajusa...@gmail.com> wrote: > Mr. Sajan Subedi has confirmed this as S. wallichii ! > > Thank you. > > Saroj Kasaju > > > On Thu, Mar 23, 2023 at 1:44 PM J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> No, it is S.lanceifolia >> >> On Tue, 21 Mar 2023 at 21:15, Saroj Kasaju <kasajusa...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> This is Smilax wallichii Kunth ! >>> >>> >>> Thank you. >>> >>> Saroj Kasaju >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 21, 2023 at 9:16 PM J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Based on detailed description and keys, 1st one is S.lanceifolia and >>>> 2nd one is S. wallichii. >>>> >>>> On Tue, 21 Mar 2023 at 20:30, Saroj Kasaju <kasajusa...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear Mr. Garg, >>>>> >>>>> Please have a look at these two images, one each from Suryabinayak, >>>>> S. wallichii having >>>>> all leaf venation emerging from the base of the leaf, and from >>>>> Phulchoki, S. lanceifolia having >>>>> leaf venation emerging differently from the base of the leaf. >>>>> May I have your opinion please ! >>>>> >>>>> Thank you. >>>>> >>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Mar 21, 2023 at 8:43 PM Saroj Kasaju <kasajusa...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Dear Mr. Garg, >>>>>> >>>>>> Please have a look at these two images, one each from Suryabinayak, >>>>>> S. wallichii having >>>>>> all leaf venation emerging from the base of the leaf, and from >>>>>> Phulchoki, S. lanceifolia having >>>>>> leaf venation emerging differently from the base of the leaf. >>>>>> May I have your opinion please ! >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>> >>>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Mar 21, 2023 at 6:02 PM J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Here are the details: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From your book (*S.wallichii*) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From your book (*S.lanceifolia*) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Large climbing vine reaching sometimes up to the top canopy of the >>>>>>> forest, with stout stems. Flowering branches, terete, striate and >>>>>>> *sparsely >>>>>>> prickly, prickles hooked downwards; *stem cross section round; >>>>>>> scales 1.5*1 cm, brown. >>>>>>> Leaves shining green; *petioles winged, non clasping, *wings >>>>>>> triangular 1-2 mm long, wings narrow in younger leaves; *tendrils >>>>>>> arising in pair from the base of the wings; abscission at the base of >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> tendrils;* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> leaves shape oblanceolate to lanceolate,* leaf base truncate,* apex >>>>>>> acuminate; *nerves 5-7, triplinerved,* two lateral veins jointed >>>>>>> upto 3 mm above the leaf base, marginal veins weak. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Inflorescence branched umbel containing 1-3 umbels, sometimes >>>>>>> solitary umbel.* *one or more rudimentary umble is always present; >>>>>>> *bracts >>>>>>> present, almost triangular, 4-5*3-3.5 mm, arising from half of the >>>>>>> peduncle >>>>>>> where the umbel branches; receptacle reniform; prophylls present, >>>>>>> triangular 7*7 mm, tio acuminate; peduncle longer than pedicel; >>>>>>> *25-40 flowers per umbel in male, 15-25 flowers per umbel in female. >>>>>>> *Staminate flower: flowers bell shaped; perianth 6, dimorphic, >>>>>>> arranged in two whorls, outer lanceolate, 9*3 mm, inner linear, 9*1 mm, >>>>>>> recurved on blooming; *stamens 6, ca 9 mm long, all equal in size,* >>>>>>> filaments 8 mm long, fales union up to 3.5-4 mm from the base, anther >>>>>>> lobes >>>>>>> white, lanceolate, 1-1.5 mm long. Female flowers: smaller the male, >>>>>>> light >>>>>>> green, perianth 6, arranged in two whorls, outer whorl of lanceolate, >>>>>>> 5.5*2.5 mm, inner whorl of linear, 5*1 mm; staminodes 3, arising from >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> gap of inner and outer perianth, linear, 3-3.5 mm; *stigma 3, *curved >>>>>>> downwards, almost reniform, 1.5*1 mm. *Fruit berry, 4-5 mm >>>>>>> diameter, green when unripe, young fruit is always glaucous, red when >>>>>>> ripe. * >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Climbing vine with long, woody, terete stems; scales 2, Outer one >>>>>>> covering inner one 7*4 mm; flowering branches elongate, terete or >>>>>>> obscurely >>>>>>> angular, smooth, sometimes variegated, 2-3 mm across, green. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Leaves dark green; *petioles 10-15 mm, bent upward above the >>>>>>> middle,* lower petiole winged for 6-8 mm, wings narrow 2-3 mm wide; >>>>>>> *tendrils >>>>>>> rudimentary in flowering branch, strong and persistent in non-flowering >>>>>>> branch;* >>>>>>> blades variable in shape and size, broadly oblanceolate to >>>>>>> lanceolate, 5-16*2-8 cm, upper surface shining; *base obtuse,* apex >>>>>>> acuminate,* trinerved, 3+2 nerved, *sometimes 2 lateral nerves >>>>>>> present in large leaves not terminating at the apex veinlets distinct in >>>>>>> lower surface. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Inflorescence single umbel,* bracts single, almost triangular, 3*4 >>>>>>> mm, obtuse; *15-20 flowers per umbel in male, 10-15 flowers per >>>>>>> umbel in female, *receptacle reniform; pedicle always longer than >>>>>>> the peduncle. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Staminate flowers light green, perianth 6, arranged in two whorls, inner >>>>>>> whorl linear, 5*1 mm, alternating outer whorl lanceolate, 5-6*1.5-2 >>>>>>> mm, *stamens 6, dimorphic, longer stamens 6 mm long alternating >>>>>>> with short stamens 5 mm,* anther lobes ca 1 mm long white, >>>>>>> spathulate, extrose. >>>>>>> Pistillate flowers light green; perianth shorter than staminate >>>>>>> flower, dimorphic, outer almost triangular 2.5*1 mm, alternating inner >>>>>>> almost linear, 2.5*0.5 mm; staminodes 3, pointed apex bifurcate, ca 1 mm >>>>>>> long; *stigma 2,* reniform, ca 1 mm long, ovary oval, disc present. >>>>>>> *Fruit >>>>>>> berry, dark green when immature, ca 2 mm in diameter.* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As per Flora of China >>>>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200027927> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Vines climbing. Stem branched, terete, 1--2 m, woody; branchlets >>>>>>> occasionally zigzagged. Petiole 1--2(--2.5) cm, narrowly winged for >>>>>>> 1/5--1/4 its length; abscission zone at middle; tendrils usually >>>>>>> present. >>>>>>> Leaf blade lanceolate to ovate-oblong, 6--17 × 2--8 cm. Inflorescence of >>>>>>> 1(or 2) umbels, basally prophyllate; peduncle 1--1.5 cm, proximally >>>>>>> articulate; umbels of both sexes densely 20--30-flowered, base slightly >>>>>>> thickened. Male flowers: tepals yellowish green, 3--4.5 × ca. 1 mm; >>>>>>> stamens >>>>>>> 3--4 mm. Female flowers: tepals 1.5--2 × ca. 0.6 mm; staminodes 6. >>>>>>> Berries >>>>>>> yellowish red to black, globose, 6--7 mm in diam. Fl. Sep--Mar, fr. >>>>>>> Oct--Nov. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> All these points of it being *S.lanceilfolia*. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Mar 2023 at 16:29, J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sorry, you have already posted it. >>>>>>>> I will check. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Mar 2023 at 16:29, J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi, Saroj ji. >>>>>>>>> As per keys, it should be S.lanceifolia. >>>>>>>>> I have not found a description of S.wallichii on the net. >>>>>>>>> Can you post it here for further examination? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, 16 Mar 2023 at 13:26, Saroj Kasaju <kasajusa...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thank you Mr. Garg >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 16, 2023 at 1:40 PM J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I will further examine, with the detailed descriptions. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 16 Mar 2023 at 13:23, J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, Saroj ji. >>>>>>>>>>>> It says inflorescence single umbel, costate, trinerved for >>>>>>>>>>>> *S.lanceifolia* and branched umbel, costate, trinerved or >>>>>>>>>>>> triplinerved for *S.wallichii* >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 16 Mar 2023 at 12:45, J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe yes. I do not see continuity between these two pages. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 16 Mar 2023 at 12:43, Saroj Kasaju < >>>>>>>>>>>>> kasajusa...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you mean by Keys pages ? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 16, 2023 at 12:36 PM J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But I am not able to relate them s.no. wise. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 16 Mar 2023 at 12:15, Saroj Kasaju < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kasajusa...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Same book ! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 16, 2023 at 12:24 PM J.M. Garg < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jmga...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are these from two different books? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 14 Mar 2023 at 12:19, Saroj Kasaju < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kasajusa...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 14 Mar 2023 at 12:33 pm, Saroj Kasaju < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kasajusa...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 14 Mar 2023 at 12:28 pm, J.M. Garg < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jmga...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any keys? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> J. M. Garg >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 13 Mar, 2023, 18:03 Saroj Kasaju, < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kasajusa...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 13, 2023 at 5:37 PM J.M. Garg < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jmga...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How is it different from images at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://efloraofindia.com/2017/03/03/smilax-lanceifolia/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 12 Mar 2023 at 14:08, Saroj Kasaju < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kasajusa...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Members, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Location: Suryavinayak, Bhaktapur, Nepal >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: 02 March 2023 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Elevation: 1364 m. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Habit : Wild >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> With regards, >>>> J.M.Garg >>>> >>> >> >> -- >> With regards, >> J.M.Garg >> > -- With regards, J.M.Garg -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "eFloraofIndia" group. 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