Thanks Gurcharan ji, Pankaj Oudhia ji and Satyendra ji So my small query has created an interesting research subject. This has happened earlier also. Because of the group this has become possible.I would like to wait and observe and learn from members what comes out.Great efforts and keen interest taken is really astonishing. Thanks again.
On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 7:58 PM, satyendra tiwari <kaysat...@gmail.com>wrote: > Dear All, > I have a matured tree standing in my Garden. I will photograph these > leaves tomorrow and post. > any suggestions. > Regards. > satyendra > > > On 21 April 2012 19:25, Gurcharan Singh <singh...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Thanks a lot Pankaj ji >> I hope members would concentrate to solve puzzle of types based on glands >> in India. It would be real job because internet is full of inconsistent >> information. >> >> >> -- >> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >> Retired Associate Professor >> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >> http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ >> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >> >> >> On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 7:19 PM, Pankaj Oudhia <pankajoud...@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> Superb Research Gurcharan ji. Thanks. >>> >>> The Traditional Healers of India divide Terminalia chebula fruits in >>> over 30 different types based on type of fruit including Abhya, Chetki etc. >>> >>> Similarly on the basis of fruit types Bahera i.e. Terminalia bellirica >>> is also having tens of types. These types are not mentioned in Taxonomic >>> literature, so far. >>> >>> regards >>> >>> Pankaj Oudhia >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 7:12 PM, Gurcharan Singh <singh...@gmail.com>wrote: >>> >>>> Satish ji >>>> Your note above prompted me to check some literature, and first thing I >>>> discovered what you wrote. In Flora of China it is clearly written and >>>> illustrated that unlike other species whether glands are generally present >>>> at the tip of petiole (or say base of leaf blade) in T. bellirica the two >>>> glands are present at about the middle of petiole. >>>> >>>> http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=94420&flora_id=2 >>>> >>>> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200014745 >>>> >>>> Now coming to the presence of the species in India, The Flora of >>>> British India differentiates two varieties (rather three of which we ignore >>>> one right now). >>>> >>>> var: typica (syn: T. eglandulosa) No glands at the apex of petiole >>>> var. belerica, two glands at apex of the petiole beneath the leaf >>>> >>>> unfortunately no mention is made about the places of distribution of >>>> two varieties. >>>> >>>> Faced with this confusion I rushed to the Herbal Garden in Punjabi Bagh >>>> (6 km away) and a garden in our area whether this tree grows, and found >>>> that there is no trace of any glands any where on the petiole in our area. >>>> >>>> We should as such be looking at three variants (whether they have any >>>> taxonomic status or not be ignored) >>>> >>>> 1. The common Indian form with no glands at all >>>> 2. The form with two glands at the tip of petiole as mentioned in FBI >>>> 3. The form with two glands in the middle of petiole as mentioned in >>>> Flora of China. It would be interesting to know if this form grows in India >>>> also. >>>> >>>> I also read an old article from Transanctions of Linnaean Society Vol. >>>> 17, 1837, a commentary by Hamilton, in which two forms of Bahara (perhaps >>>> meaning Baheda) (T. bellirica) are recognised: Greater bahara or Bahara >>>> major with larger fruits and Smaller bahara or Bahara minor with smaller >>>> fruits, described from Duriapur and Domdoho, respectively (wonder what are >>>> these places). >>>> >>>> >>>> http://books.google.co.in/books?id=KBwhAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA159&lpg=PA159&dq=Glands+in+Terminalia+bellirica&source=bl&ots=NFhrgPXI1H&sig=BGIsCB4D-xBKR714AC75LG4cBIg&hl=en&sa=X&ei=1oyST-vCEI3irAeKoL3rBA&sqi=2&ved=0CEwQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=Glands%20in%20Terminalia%20bellirica&f=false >>>> >>>> Perhaps some one can throw some more light on this important medicinal >>>> plant of India. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>> http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ >>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 2:17 PM, Satish Phadke <drsmpha...@gmail.com>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Yesterday I happen to attend a slideshow/presentation where a >>>>> botanist(Not active on Net) showed a series of Terminalia leaves from >>>>> different species. She had tried to document the differences and >>>>> characteristics of glands indifferent individual species. What I learnt >>>>> was >>>>> T. bellerica often has glands which are not at the base of the leaves but >>>>> in the petiole itself which appears slightly swollen midway in its length. >>>>> It stimulated my curiosity which made me write yesterday's request to >>>>> Surajit.This is something different than what Neil ji's observations. When >>>>> I checked elsewhere in whatever data available to me what I got is No >>>>> glands in T. bellerica. I will check with her again and if possible will >>>>> try to collect those pictures for opinion. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 11:21 PM, Vijayasankar Raman (Google Docs) < >>>>> vijay.botan...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> [image: Document] I've shared Terminalia bellirica page from >>>>>> FPB<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dpgVclesA4TroBoOy1jaCFx6vq3Y9C5xAfAIRx_gEBA/edit> >>>>>> Click to open: >>>>>> >>>>>> - Terminalia bellirica page from >>>>>> FPB<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dpgVclesA4TroBoOy1jaCFx6vq3Y9C5xAfAIRx_gEBA/edit> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Terminalia belli(e)rica page from Cooke’s Flora of Presidency of >>>>>> Bombay_Vol. 1 >>>>>> >>>>>> (line 8 in the description para). >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Google Docs makes it easy to create, store and share online >>>>>> documents, spreadsheets and presentations. >>>>>> [image: Logo for Google Docs] <https://docs.google.com> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Dr Satish Phadke >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >> Retired Associate Professor >> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >> http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ >> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >> >> > > > -- > Satyendra K.Tiwari. > Wildlife Photographer, Naturalist, Tour Leader > H.NO <http://h.no/> 129, P.O.Tala, Distt Umariya. > M.P. 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