Itulah persepsi. Ingat ST.movie "insurrection"? Quote: there's nothing more complicated than perception. Ingat kan? Saat Picard membantu ...lupa namanya.. Yg ketimpa batu, terus waktu di'slow down' dulu..
Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Sinyal Bagus XL, Nyambung Teruuusss...! -----Original Message----- From: "Alidjaja Ivan" <[email protected]> Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 09:29:13 To: <[email protected]> Subject: RE: [Indo-StarTrek] Re: Misteri Waktu dlm kehidupan kita tergantung warp-nya :-) warp 1 = 1 x kecepatan cahaya warp 2 = 10 x kecepatan cahaya warp 9 = 1 516 x kecepatan cahaya antara dimensi ke 2 dan ke 3 itu bukannya deket? -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: 31. maaliskuuta 2009 9:22 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Indo-StarTrek] Re: Misteri Waktu dlm kehidupan kita Kalau satuan 'warp' itu berapa kali kecepatan cahaya sih? Sebenarnya antara dimensi yg berdekatan saja (dimensi 3 ke 4 atau ke 2) itu kalau mau ngomongin 'jarak' itu sudah bisa dibilang 'unlimited' atau 'jauuuuhhhh sekali'. Itu menurut 'pengalaman spiritual' saya lho hehe.. Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Sinyal Bagus XL, Nyambung Teruuusss...! -----Original Message----- From: "Alidjaja Ivan" <[email protected]> Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 09:13:34 To: <[email protected]> Subject: RE: [Indo-StarTrek] Re: Misteri Waktu dlm kehidupan kita kl soal pengalaman 'spiritual', bung Eri ini embah-nya :-) Ngomong2 soal pengalaman spiritual, sewaktu Tom Paris menembus warp 10, itu pengalaman spiritual atau bukan? - -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: 31. maaliskuuta 2009 9:07 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Indo-StarTrek] Re: Misteri Waktu dlm kehidupan kita Kalau semuanya physics, berarti harus bisa diukur, dinilai, di-indera, apapun, karena physics itu materi. Di ST sendiri sering dibahas mengenai non-mater. Saya pikir spiritual itu bukan physics dalam artian sesuatu materi, tapi bukan pula sesuatu yang "mistis" atau "di luar logika". To be honest, ... Eh... Sori pa Heri :)... Mksd saya, sejujurnya, saya sendiri mempunyai pengalaman yang sangat menarik dan sulit dilukiskan dg kata2 (kalimat bahasa itu agak mendayu2 yah) mengenai "spiritual" ini. Intinya, spiritual itu sesuatu yang sangat logis, meskipun "logika" kita sbg manusia sangat amat terbatas, dibandingkan dengan "substansi maha" yang kita kenal dgn sebutan "TUHAN" Roys Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Sinyal Bagus XL, Nyambung Teruuusss...! -----Original Message----- From: "ER [Energy Revolution]" <[email protected]> Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 08:51:33 To: <[email protected]> Subject: RE: [Indo-StarTrek] Re: Misteri Waktu dlm kehidupan kita Sebenarnya statement Roy ini bisa mengundang kita ke sebuah diskusi yang sangat menarik. Namun saya hanya bisa membayangkan sebuah diskusi yang sulit dicari reference -nya. Baik dari buku yang pernah dibaca maupun pengalaman. Seperti contoh kalimat, "reach a point when we are no longer bound to the time-space continuum" Dimana dan Apakah "point" yang dimaksud? Kenapa kok sepertinya mengesankan hanya bisa dicapai melalui spiritual? Bagaimana kalau saya katakana/pendapat, "Physics is behind everything in the universe" Dengan kata lain; tidak ada meta-fisika, yang ada hanya fisika. bahkan Love, Devotion, Pray, Faith, etc are simply physical. Salam, ER ____________________________________________________ Visit our special site for The New STAR TREK Movie: <http://www.indo-startrek.org/promo/STXI/> ttp://www.indo-startrek.org/promo/STXI/ Save Paper! Save Trees! Before printing, think about the Environment. Support Energy [R]evolution Now! www.human-earth.blogspot.com http://www.solargeneration.co.cc/ _____ From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of heri Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 8:41 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [Indo-StarTrek] Re: Misteri Waktu dlm kehidupan kita maaf pak roy, bisa tolong lbh sering pk bhs indonesia, bhs inggris saya ga bagus soalnya :) thks heri --- In indo-startrek@ <mailto:indo-startrek%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com, royspangayo...@... wrote: > > That's why they always say: time's relative. > If we do have reach a point when we are no longer bound to the time-space continuum, then we have reached what they called: enlightenment. ('they' = spiritual people). > > R. A. P > > > Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Sinyal Bagus XL, Nyambung Teruuusss...! 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