On the idea of Indian villages where Sanskrit supposedly is spoken, I recommend Patrick McCartney’s excellent work, accessible e.g. here:
https://patrickmccartney.academia.edu/research#recentlypublishedarticles All best, Antonia On Sat 25. Sep 2021 at 16:11, Joanna Jurewicz <[email protected]> wrote: > An eminent scholar and my colleague, Artur Karp, has just > rightly questioned in a personal letter if there are Sanskrit native > speakers. Well, there are villages in India where Sanskrit is spoken as the > first language, but Artur is right, the expression "Sanskrit native > speakers" was unfortunate. > > > --- > > Prof. dr hab. Joanna Jurewicz > > Katedra Azji Południowej /Chair of South Asia Studies > > Wydział Orientalistyczny / Faculty of Oriental Studies > > Uniwersytet Warszawski /University of Warsaw > > ul. Krakowskie Przedmieście 26/28 > <https://www.google.com/maps/search/Krakowskie+Przedmie%C5%9Bcie+26%2F28+%0D%0A+00-927+Warszawa+,+Poland?entry=gmail&source=g> > > <https://www.google.com/maps/search/Krakowskie+Przedmie%C5%9Bcie+26%2F28+%0D%0A+00-927+Warszawa+,+Poland?entry=gmail&source=g> > > 00-927 Warszawa > <https://www.google.com/maps/search/Krakowskie+Przedmie%C5%9Bcie+26%2F28+%0D%0A+00-927+Warszawa+,+Poland?entry=gmail&source=g> > , > Poland > <https://www.google.com/maps/search/Krakowskie+Przedmie%C5%9Bcie+26%2F28+%0D%0A+00-927+Warszawa+,+Poland?entry=gmail&source=g> > > Department of Linguistics and Modern Languages > > College of Human Sciences > > UNISA > > Pretoria, RSA > > Member of Academia Europaea > > https://uw.academia.edu/JoannaJurewicz > > > sob., 25 wrz 2021 o 15:07 Joanna Jurewicz <[email protected]> > napisał(a): > >> What a wonderful website! >> >> I wish I could use ultrasonography when I teach my students to explain >> the Sandhi phenomena, e.g. cerebralisation of consonants (cerebral >> consonants are the most difficult consonants for Polish speakers). >> >> For example, it takes me much time to explain them how to pronounce the >> noun *kṛṣṇa. *I tell them that if they want to properly express it, they >> have to realise: >> >> 1) that they have to open their mouth slightly more than when they speak >> Polish and release the muscles of their chicks and other muscles of the >> lower part of their face, >> >> 1) that when they open the mouth slightly more and pronounce the >> guttural "k", they will have a lot of place between the tip of the tongue >> and the palate, >> >> 2) that, having pronounced "k", they have to push the tip of the tongue >> slightly back (which is now not difficult thanks to creation of space in >> the mouth), and quickly move it in order to pronounce the vocalical "ṛ" >> (which is the same movement as in Polish "r"), >> >> 3) that, having pronounced "ṛ", they still have to keep their tongue >> back (to "yoke" it) in order to pronounce the sibilant "ṣ" (which is >> contrary to Polish habit to move the tongue a bit forward to pronounce the >> Polish consonant "sz", the same is for English "sh"), >> >> 4) that, having pronounced "ṣ", they still have to "yoke" their tongue >> in the same position to pronounce the cerebral "ṇ". >> >> I make funny faces when I try to "show" them this process, they laugh at >> me, and I ask them why they don't laugh at people at the gym who train >> various muscles of their body (which might look very funny too) and that >> the tongue is a muscle too, moreover its structure is unique to human >> species, because it allows us to speak. Then we come back to the exercises >> until they say "wow, if we push our tongue back and keep it there, there is >> no problems with "ṇ" !". Then they have to exercise until they are able >> to pronounce the word quickly. >> >> The fact that the larynx is placed slightly more below in Sanskrit >> pronunciation than in Polish is the upaniṣad and I teach it to them >> later on. I have some devices to explain how to lower one's larynx. But the >> video would be of much help. >> >> The movements of lips (generally speaking the whole vocal apparatus) are >> also different, but this is easier to be shown. And the role of breathing >> is crucial, of course (which I teach my students from the very beginning). >> >> If I had such a device, it would be easier for me to explain to them "the >> art of yoking of the tongue". >> >> It would be great if we could create such videos with Sanskrit native >> speakers which would take into account the invisible aspects of Sanskrit >> phonetics. I'd gladly take part in such an enterprise! >> >> Thank you very much, Adheesh. I will certainly use the page during my >> phonetics classes to show the movements of the tongue in general >> perspective. >> >> Best wishes, >> >> Joanna >> >> >> --- >> >> Prof. dr hab. Joanna Jurewicz >> >> Katedra Azji Południowej /Chair of South Asia Studies >> >> Wydział Orientalistyczny / Faculty of Oriental Studies >> >> Uniwersytet Warszawski /University of Warsaw >> >> ul. Krakowskie Przedmieście 26/28 >> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/Krakowskie+Przedmie%C5%9Bcie+26%2F28+%0D%0A+00-927+Warszawa+,+Poland?entry=gmail&source=g> >> >> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/Krakowskie+Przedmie%C5%9Bcie+26%2F28+%0D%0A+00-927+Warszawa+,+Poland?entry=gmail&source=g> >> >> 00-927 Warszawa >> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/Krakowskie+Przedmie%C5%9Bcie+26%2F28+%0D%0A+00-927+Warszawa+,+Poland?entry=gmail&source=g> >> , >> Poland >> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/Krakowskie+Przedmie%C5%9Bcie+26%2F28+%0D%0A+00-927+Warszawa+,+Poland?entry=gmail&source=g> >> >> Department of Linguistics and Modern Languages >> >> College of Human Sciences >> >> UNISA >> >> Pretoria, RSA >> >> Member of Academia Europaea >> >> https://uw.academia.edu/JoannaJurewicz >> >> >> pt., 24 wrz 2021 o 02:47 adheesh sathaye via INDOLOGY < >> [email protected]> napisał(a): >> >>> Dear Marcis et al, >>> >>> I don’t know if this will be useful for your purposes, but the >>> Linguistics department here at UBC has designed a website called >>> “eNunciate!” with various linguistics learning tools, including “Sounds of >>> the World’s Languages”, which provides videos illustrating the >>> pronunciation of a broad range of IPA consonants and vowels, including, >>> presumably, all sounds within the Sanskrit syllabary. >>> They feature both graphical representations like you are looking for, as >>> well as actual ultrasound captures of a live speaker. >>> >>> The site can be accessed here: >>> https://enunciate.arts.ubc.ca/linguistics/world-sounds/ >>> Similar animated videos are found on the ArticulatoryIPA YouTube site: >>> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCuOKJqD00W2EiC3DHmOuu0g >>> >>> For a list of correspondences between IPA and the Sanskrit syllabary, >>> you may consult Andrew Ollett’s excellent Sanskrit reference grammar >>> (vṛddhiḥ) at the Univ. of Chicago, here: >>> http://prakrit.info/vrddhi/grammar/ >>> >>> I am also currently making youtube videos that you can find if search >>> for UBC Sanskrit on Youtube. These may or may not be useful. >>> >>> With all best wishes, >>> Adheesh >>> >>> — >>> Adheesh Sathaye >>> University of British Columbia >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sep 22, 2021, at 04:56, Mārcis Gasūns via INDOLOGY < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Greetings, >>> >>> Is there something like this for Sanskrit (taken from >>> https://archive.org/details/dli.ernet.503070/page/99/mode/2up)? The >>> closes I've seen is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindustani_phonology but >>> it has not pictures, only a vowel chart. >>> Does >>> https://archive.org/details/ACriticalStudyOfSanskritPhonetics_Mishra/img167_2R.jpg >>> remains >>> the only book on Sanskrit phonetics? >>> >>> Regards, >>> Marcis >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology >>> >> > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > [email protected] > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology >
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