Hello, In response to this “phonetical” thread, the question persists for me why vocalic ṛ and consonantal ra are considered “savarṇas” in the mūrdhanya series. (Siddhānta Kaumudī I.10.) Currently. In all the Sanskrit regional “dialects" I know of they are pronounced, in whole or part, as alveolars. Are we to presume that somehow these once were actually cerebals. Or… was Pāṇini wrong, here?
Jim Ryan > On Sep 26, 2021, at 11:36 AM, Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY > <[email protected]> wrote: > > Thanks, Harry, for sharing these articles. Best, > > Madhav > > Madhav M. Deshpande > Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics > University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA > Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies > Adjunct Professor, National Institute of Advanced Studies, Bangalore, India > > [Residence: Campbell, California, USA] > > > On Sun, Sep 26, 2021 at 11:26 AM Harry Spier via INDOLOGY > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > Dear all, > There are two articles by SK Chatterji written 25 years apart titled "The > Pronounciation of Sanskrit" , same title, different articles. I'm attaching > them for whoever is interested. > Harry Spier > > > On Sun, Sep 26, 2021 at 1:28 PM Hock, Hans Henrich via INDOLOGY > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > Dear All, > > As I recall, the issue of how Sanskrit is pronounced in modern (i.e. early > 20th-century) India is addressed in an article by Suniti Kumar Chatterji – > > Chatterji, Suniti Kumar. The pronunciation of Sanskrit. Indian Linguistics, > (1961) vol. 21, pp. 61-82. Originally: K. B. Pathak commemoration volume, > 330-349. Bhandarkar Oriental Research Institute, 1934. > > For the ancient period, there are the Prātiśākhyas of course (the source for > Allen’s and Verma’s publications; Vidhata Mishra largely repeats Verma). On > the earliest recoverable pronunciation of syllabic ṛ as [ara] (with both [a]s > a quarter mora), I have published a paper: Were ṛ and ḷ velar in early > Sanskrit? Vidyā-Vratin: Professor A. M. Ghatage felicitation volume, ed. by > V. N. Jha, 69-94. (Sri Garib Dass Oriental Series, 160.) Delhi: Sri Satguru > Publications, 1992 > > To teach retroflex to American students I ask them to pronounce their r and, > while they are doing so, press the tongue hard against the roof of the mouth, > which produces a retroflex stop ṭ that is quite distinct from their t sound. > > In general, I have found it useful to adopt one of the regional variants of > modern Indian pronounciations (I use the northern one with ri for ṛ and gy > for jñ (while properly warning the students that these are modern > pronunciations). By becoming familiar with this way of pronouncing Sanskrit > students will find it easier to follow Indian Sanskritists when they are > speaking/pronouncing Sanskrit. I also urge students to keep their aspirates > and nonaspirates and their dentals and retroflexes as distinct as possible, > telling them that when I was beginning to study Sanskrit I sometimes spent > fruitless hours locating something in the dictionary because of looking up > under the “wrong t”. > > I hope some of you will find these remarks interesting. > > All the best – stay safe, > > Hans Henrich > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > <https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology> > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > [email protected] > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology
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