Dear all, In transcribing (not making an edition) of a manuscript like this with व written for both व and ब is it best practice to have the transcription also follow the practice of the original manuscript and also just use the letter व . And leave any interpretation about both word breaks and whats a *v* or a *b* to any users of the transcription. Thanks, Harry Spier
On Sun, Feb 26, 2023 at 5:49 AM Witzel, Michael <[email protected]> wrote: > > Dear Harry, > > the matter is more complex: > > 1st, your MS, obviously a copy of a Śāradā MS, is written in the typical > Kashmiri style Devanagari of the mid-late 19th century; it has many North > Indian peculiarities, besides the v/b case, such as the abundance of > Anusvāra dots, not typical for Kashmiri Śāradā MSS that write homorganic > nasals. > > 2nd, Śāradā MSS distinguish between v (looks like Nāgarī v) and b, where > the more squarish, circle-like part is set lower, at the bottom of the line. > Good Vedic Devanāgarī MSS also distinguish between v and b: v is > indicated by writing Nāgarī v with underdot. > > 3rd “standard" North Indian practice (as described in earlier posts) is > another matter. > > Best, > > Michael > > Michael Witzel > Wales Research Prof. of Sanskrit (=Emeritus) > Dept. of South Asian Studies, Harvard University > [email protected] > www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~witzel/mwpage.htm > Residence: Yokohama, Japan > > > > On Feb 26, 2023, at 1:04 PM, Harry Spier via INDOLOGY < > [email protected]> wrote: > > Thank you to Howard Resnick, Charles DiSimone, and Tom Cahill who > confirmed off-list that he has seen the same thing in N. Indian manuscripts. > Harry Spier > > > On Sat, Feb 25, 2023 at 11:31 AM Howard Resnick <[email protected]> wrote: > >> In Bengali, and even in the standard Bengali-English Samsad dictionary, b >> and v are given as the same letter. >> >> >> On Feb 25, 2023, at 9:14 AM, Charles DiSimone via INDOLOGY < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> Dear Harry Spier, >> >> I'm not sure when ba became a dedicated akṣara within the Devanāgarī >> script, but what you describe has been the norm for Brahmic script >> manuscript transmissions over history. >> >> All my best, >> Charles >> >> Dr. Charles DiSimone >> Department of Languages and Cultures >> Ghent University >> >> >> On Sat, Feb 25, 2023 at 2:57 PM Harry Spier via INDOLOGY < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Dear list members, >>> I'm looking at a manuscript from the Ragunath Temple Sanskrit Manuscript >>> Library, Jammu, j&K. The text is ajñānadvāntadīpikā by somanātha >>> The link to the pdf on archive.org >>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__archive.org_&d=DwMFaQ&c=WO-RGvefibhHBZq3fL85hQ&r=tFXzIbyKS2C0TpVqKsMrj46qwsAermBN5wzaDe51So0&m=nBrjyL62xDuQCVJuuz9EqUwjRZAmOoO3cxq514GT0xMUUB2Xz5UdD2EqtSrQ4dfr&s=XxATidz8sYLwi_fC0C5uWkKsxGlNDIZoubvQxQZF5MY&e=> >>> is: >>> >>> https://archive.org/download/AgyanDhvantaDeepikaShriSomnath4966Alm22Shlf4DevanagariTantra/Agyan%20Dhvanta%20Deepika%20-%20Shri%20Somnath_4966_Alm_22_Shlf_4_Devanagari-%20Tantra.pdf >>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__archive.org_download_AgyanDhvantaDeepikaShriSomnath4966Alm22Shlf4DevanagariTantra_Agyan-2520Dhvanta-2520Deepika-2520-2D-2520Shri-2520Somnath-5F4966-5FAlm-5F22-5FShlf-5F4-5FDevanagari-2D-2520Tantra.pdf&d=DwMFaQ&c=WO-RGvefibhHBZq3fL85hQ&r=tFXzIbyKS2C0TpVqKsMrj46qwsAermBN5wzaDe51So0&m=nBrjyL62xDuQCVJuuz9EqUwjRZAmOoO3cxq514GT0xMUUB2Xz5UdD2EqtSrQ4dfr&s=zX0YtmSUh2CfOrdyKVdf7rjyHwX6IEqjwlWIWsQncrQ&e=> >>> >>> Looking at the first few lines it looks to me like the scribe is using >>> the devanagari letter व for both व and ब. Is that common practice in >>> devanagari manuscripts from kashmir? >>> Thanks, >>> Harry Spier >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology >>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__list.indology.info_mailman_listinfo_indology&d=DwMFaQ&c=WO-RGvefibhHBZq3fL85hQ&r=tFXzIbyKS2C0TpVqKsMrj46qwsAermBN5wzaDe51So0&m=nBrjyL62xDuQCVJuuz9EqUwjRZAmOoO3cxq514GT0xMUUB2Xz5UdD2EqtSrQ4dfr&s=HBswZAxwAB_Z2onMzejkQpTHo-lxefuRBUw4xR5NDRQ&e=> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology >> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__list.indology.info_mailman_listinfo_indology&d=DwMFaQ&c=WO-RGvefibhHBZq3fL85hQ&r=tFXzIbyKS2C0TpVqKsMrj46qwsAermBN5wzaDe51So0&m=nBrjyL62xDuQCVJuuz9EqUwjRZAmOoO3cxq514GT0xMUUB2Xz5UdD2EqtSrQ4dfr&s=HBswZAxwAB_Z2onMzejkQpTHo-lxefuRBUw4xR5NDRQ&e=> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > [email protected] > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > > >
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