In either an edition or a transliteration I would transmit each word in Roman script with either a ba or va depending on the correct spelling of the word.
All my best, Charles Dr. Charles DiSimone Department of Languages and Cultures Ghent University On Mon, Feb 27, 2023 at 12:06 AM Harry Spier via INDOLOGY < [email protected]> wrote: > Dear all, > In transcribing (not making an edition) of a manuscript like this with व > written for both व and ब is it best practice to have the transcription > also follow the practice of the original manuscript and also just use the > letter व . And leave any interpretation about both word breaks and > whats a *v* or a *b* to any users of the transcription. > Thanks, > Harry Spier > > > On Sun, Feb 26, 2023 at 5:49 AM Witzel, Michael <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> >> Dear Harry, >> >> the matter is more complex: >> >> 1st, your MS, obviously a copy of a Śāradā MS, is written in the >> typical Kashmiri style Devanagari of the mid-late 19th century; it has many >> North Indian peculiarities, besides the v/b case, such as the abundance of >> Anusvāra dots, not typical for Kashmiri Śāradā MSS that write homorganic >> nasals. >> >> 2nd, Śāradā MSS distinguish between v (looks like Nāgarī v) and b, where >> the more squarish, circle-like part is set lower, at the bottom of the line. >> Good Vedic Devanāgarī MSS also distinguish between v and b: v is >> indicated by writing Nāgarī v with underdot. >> >> 3rd “standard" North Indian practice (as described in earlier posts) is >> another matter. >> >> Best, >> >> Michael >> >> Michael Witzel >> Wales Research Prof. of Sanskrit (=Emeritus) >> Dept. of South Asian Studies, Harvard University >> [email protected] >> www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~witzel/mwpage.htm >> Residence: Yokohama, Japan >> >> >> >> On Feb 26, 2023, at 1:04 PM, Harry Spier via INDOLOGY < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> Thank you to Howard Resnick, Charles DiSimone, and Tom Cahill who >> confirmed off-list that he has seen the same thing in N. Indian manuscripts. >> Harry Spier >> >> >> On Sat, Feb 25, 2023 at 11:31 AM Howard Resnick <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> In Bengali, and even in the standard Bengali-English Samsad dictionary, >>> b and v are given as the same letter. >>> >>> >>> On Feb 25, 2023, at 9:14 AM, Charles DiSimone via INDOLOGY < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Dear Harry Spier, >>> >>> I'm not sure when ba became a dedicated akṣara within the Devanāgarī >>> script, but what you describe has been the norm for Brahmic script >>> manuscript transmissions over history. >>> >>> All my best, >>> Charles >>> >>> Dr. Charles DiSimone >>> Department of Languages and Cultures >>> Ghent University >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Feb 25, 2023 at 2:57 PM Harry Spier via INDOLOGY < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Dear list members, >>>> I'm looking at a manuscript from the Ragunath Temple Sanskrit >>>> Manuscript Library, Jammu, j&K. The text is >>>> ajñānadvāntadīpikā by somanātha >>>> The link to the pdf on archive.org >>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__archive.org_&d=DwMFaQ&c=WO-RGvefibhHBZq3fL85hQ&r=tFXzIbyKS2C0TpVqKsMrj46qwsAermBN5wzaDe51So0&m=nBrjyL62xDuQCVJuuz9EqUwjRZAmOoO3cxq514GT0xMUUB2Xz5UdD2EqtSrQ4dfr&s=XxATidz8sYLwi_fC0C5uWkKsxGlNDIZoubvQxQZF5MY&e=> >>>> is: >>>> >>>> https://archive.org/download/AgyanDhvantaDeepikaShriSomnath4966Alm22Shlf4DevanagariTantra/Agyan%20Dhvanta%20Deepika%20-%20Shri%20Somnath_4966_Alm_22_Shlf_4_Devanagari-%20Tantra.pdf >>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__archive.org_download_AgyanDhvantaDeepikaShriSomnath4966Alm22Shlf4DevanagariTantra_Agyan-2520Dhvanta-2520Deepika-2520-2D-2520Shri-2520Somnath-5F4966-5FAlm-5F22-5FShlf-5F4-5FDevanagari-2D-2520Tantra.pdf&d=DwMFaQ&c=WO-RGvefibhHBZq3fL85hQ&r=tFXzIbyKS2C0TpVqKsMrj46qwsAermBN5wzaDe51So0&m=nBrjyL62xDuQCVJuuz9EqUwjRZAmOoO3cxq514GT0xMUUB2Xz5UdD2EqtSrQ4dfr&s=zX0YtmSUh2CfOrdyKVdf7rjyHwX6IEqjwlWIWsQncrQ&e=> >>>> >>>> Looking at the first few lines it looks to me like the scribe is using >>>> the devanagari letter व for both व and ब. 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