Not to ignore the term jangiri or jilebi which refers to a sweet delicacy prepared in S.India on special occasions.
> On Aug 9, 2025, at 4:43 PM, David and Nancy Reigle via INDOLOGY > <[email protected]> wrote: > > Thank you, Nagaraj, for this clarification. It now seems that we must look > for jagrī as meaning jalodara rather than as meaning "liver." There are only > two Tibetan translations of the Kālacakra-tantra and its Vimalaprabhā > commentary in use for the last several centuries: the Shong ston revision of > the 'Bro translation, and the Jonang revision of the Shong ston revision. > Their translation of jagrī is dmu chu, which does specifically mean ascites, > the accumulation of fluid in the abdominal area, as does jalodara. Indeed, > the Shong ston translation of the Vimalaprabhā has dmu chu (jagrī) glossed as > chu'i lto ba (jalodara), which is a literal translation of jalodara, "water > (chu) belly (lto ba)." The early Kālacakra master Bu ston (1290-1364) here > annotated chu'i lto ba as dmu chu. The Jonang translation simply translated > jalodara as dmu chu rather than as chu'i lto ba, making it a straightforward > synonym of jagrī. Here are the Vimalaprabhā texts: > > jagrī-plīhārṣa-rogān api jalodarādīn > dmu chu skran dang gzhang 'brum nad rnams dag kyang ste chu'i lto ba la sogs > pa rnams (Shong ston) > dmu chu skran dang gzhang 'brum nad rnams dag kyang ste dmu chu la sogs pa > rnams (Jonang) > > The meaning of dmu is given by the late Dr. Yeshi Dönden, former personal > physician to the Dalai Lama, as: > "dmu: protrusion of the stomach due to an accumulation of water there." > (The Ambrosia Heart Tantra, volume 1, translated by Jhampa Kelsang, p. 104. > Dharamsala: Library of Tibetan Works and Archives,1977) > > Likewise, the Tibetan-English Dictionary of Tibetan Medicine and Astrology > defines dmu chu as: > "dmu.chu Dropsy of the internal organs (Ascites), Skt. jalodara." > (by Dr. Tsering Thakchoe Drungtso & Mrs. Tsering Dolma Drungtso, revised and > enlarged edition, 2005) > > So jagrī was understood as meaning jalodara, both according to the Sanskrit > Vimalaprabhā and its Tibetan translations by Shong ston/'Bro and by the > Jonang translators. > > Best regards, > > David Reigle > Colorado, U.S.A. > > > On Fri, Aug 8, 2025 at 11:20 PM Nagaraj Paturi <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > Jalodara refers to Ascites. Ascites being one of the consequences of > Cirrhosis of Liver gives a connection between Jalodara and Liver, Yakrut. > > Jalodara is not Edema in general. It is an accumulation of fluid in Udara, > Jala + Udara. > > On Sat, Aug 9, 2025 at 1:48 AM David and Nancy Reigle via INDOLOGY > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > There is one important weakness with the "liver" hypothesis for jagrī. The > Vimalaprabhā commentary almost certainly glosses jagrī as jalodara, "edema." > This is not as clear in the Sarnath printed edition, which has: > jagrī-plīhārṣa-rogān api jalodarādīni. The phrase "jagrī-plīhārṣa-rogān api" > is quoted from the Kālacakra-tantra, with the commentary adding jalodarādīni. > However, the two very old palm-leaf manuscripts of the Vimalaprabhā show that > the reading is actually jalodarādīn rather than jalodarādīni. Thus: > jagrī-plīhārṣa-rogān api jalodarādīn. These plural accusatives are objects of > the verb hanti. The neuter jalodarādīni could be understood as adding edema > to liver, etc. But the masculine jalodarādīn is almost certainly glossing the > masculine compound instead of adding something more. So it is glossing the > first word of the compound, jagrī, as meaning jalodara. > > Best regards, > > David Reigle > Colorado, U.S.A. > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > <https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology> > > > -- > Nagaraj Paturi > Kulapati | Vice-Chancellor, INDICA > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > [email protected] > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology
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