On Sun, Mar 6, 2022 at 5:32 PM Kris Craig <kris.cr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Sun, Mar 6, 2022, 12:53 PM Chase Peeler <chasepee...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> >> On Sun, Mar 6, 2022 at 3:40 PM Kris Craig <kris.cr...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Mar 6, 2022, 12:36 PM Chase Peeler <chasepee...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Mar 6, 2022 at 3:23 PM Kris Craig <kris.cr...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Sun, Mar 6, 2022, 10:17 AM Victor Bolshov <crocodil...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> > On Sat, Mar 5, 2022 at 14:26, Kris Craig <kris.cr...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> > Specifically, I would direct this question to Pierre and Viktor: Do >>>>> you >>>>> > believe that "Arrest Dictator Putin" is appropriate for the PHP >>>>> homepage? >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > As a Russian who fled his country because of arising concerns over >>>>> Mr. >>>>> > Putin's regime, I find any words against him, appropriate. I'm a >>>>> pacifist >>>>> > but I probably would try to kill him if I was given a chance. >>>>> > >>>>> > Speaking about how appropriate "Arrest Putin" would be *on the PHP >>>>> home >>>>> > page*, I'd say no, because I see how many different people have >>>>> gathered >>>>> > here. We see that even Ukranian flag on PHP homepage is going to >>>>> cause >>>>> > tensions (what about Iraq & Viet Nam?). >>>>> > >>>>> > Starting this discussion, I had in mind the "sanity again madness" >>>>> > mentality. I even feel sorry now for how this thread brings so many >>>>> > disagreements and sol little compromise, so many emotions and so >>>>> little >>>>> > reason. I still think though that in times like this, stating >>>>> something >>>>> > like "PHP is against war" is very timely, and it is something we can >>>>> agree >>>>> > to, without destroying any connections within community. >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> +1 for a banner that says "PHP is against war". I would have >>>>> absolutely no >>>>> objection to that one. >>>>> >>>> As I’ve said before, I would have a problem with this. War is terrible >>>> and should be avoided at all costs. However, there are times it is >>>> justified. >>>> -- >>>> Chase Peeler >>>> chasepee...@gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> In that case, I think we should scrap this idea altogether. I mean, if >>> we can't even agree that war (i.e. institutionalized mass murder) is a bad >>> thing, then there's no statement we could make on this that wouldn't divide >>> our community. >>> >>> I agree we should scrap this for the many reasons people have given >> earlier. However, you are misquoting me. I said war was a terrible thing. >> Sometimes, though, the alternative is worse. I point you to WW2. How many >> more would have died in the holocaust if the allies had not gone to war >> against the axis powers? >> -- >> Chase Peeler >> chasepee...@gmail.com >> > > From a philosophical perspective, it could be argued that the war was > already underway. And since Hitler started that war to conquer, I would > argue that WWII, like every other war, was unnecessary. > If no one had fought back, would it have really been a war? > > That's not to say it wasn't necessary for the allies to get involved. But > we didn't start that war, and it most certainly was not necessary for > Germany to invade Poland. > Exactly my point. We can say we are against war as much as we want, but there are evil people in this world that will still prey on others. When that happens, “good men” are sometimes forced to fight back. > Fighting a war to end a war is one thing. Starting a war, on the other > Yep. So you’ve already made caveats to your absolute statement, which was my point. > > -- Chase Peeler chasepee...@gmail.com
