> -----Original Message----- > From: Rasmus Lerdorf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 5:42 PM > To: Naik, Roshan > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Unfulfilled promises... forever experimental > extensions... all over again > > > On Wed, 25 Aug 2004, Naik, Roshan wrote: > > Hopefully belts will be tightened up around the extensions and the > > responsibility taken up by their authors. > > Wow, that was quite a rant from someone who hasn't contributed a damn > thing. >
Really ? Are you sure ? http://www.zend.com/zend/week/week146.php Even if I were someone who never contributed anything to php and is just a user of it ... does my concern or that of thousands of others in the same boat count at all ? >From that stmt one can only infer I guess they are all non-entities. This is not a community culture but a detrimental coterie culture. > People volunteer their time and effort to this project. There are no > guarantees that any of this code won't make your cpu melt or > cause your > curtains to catch fire. Ranting at a bunch of volunteers is utterly > useless and counterproductive. If you have a genuine > interest in seeing > things improve, get involved. Pick your favorite extension that is > troubling you, talk to the authors and other users and figure out what > needs to be done to solve its remaining issues. If you do that, your > words might mean something. > Precisely the attitude expected (indifference and excuses), as was pointed out concisely by another user. http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=php-dev&m=103161229529458&w=2 The central point that these features never made it to production quality previously and that no reason to believe the new cool features advertised may meet the same fate is overlooked and left unaddressed. And as to what Andi wrote: > Thanks for this quite useless and unproductive email. > I suggest to inform yourself slightly better on the tons of improvements > the PHP development team have made and where we are today vs. 4 years ago. > I suggest next time, if you want to be productive, you can contact us with > a concrete problem and proposed solution. So that's not a concrete problem ? The proposed solution as I mentioned is to start tightening things up where too much things have been lax. And you get me wrong, I am not saying PHP5 is worthless and there are no useful features. There are clearly many nice improvements. Users simply like to see those things completed before shipping them. My intention is not to point fingers at people. It is to point finger at problems. A response that either refutes the existence of the problem or the affirms the existence of the problem and how (if at all) can be tackled is a more appropriate response. Rather than the usual "buzz-off" As the above quoted user posted... "Nothing prevents us from treating people with patience and courtesy. Except of course bad manners and bad attitude." In theory everything can be marked experimental... the zend engine (object model changed) and other the core parts too. But a certain quality level is indeed being enforced upon, even today, before its made available as a release quality product. Another solution is to leave such "not-yet-ready" things out in the other extension repositories, allow them to mature and stabilize there before shipping it with a standard distribution. That way there is an incentive for authors to complete their work and this encourages competing implementations. The healthy competition also enhances quality of the components in the product. The best one gets to be part of the standard distribution... a nice reward for the efforts. Rather than rewards first and work later (if he got a chance). -Roshan -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
