Hi Marcus,

Anyway my idea is to start everything in PECL and
to to move everything out that can be moved out. And that includes all MySQL
extensions as well as SQLite. Only this way people will use the PELC
infrastructure. Otherwise we would just reduce functionality of PHP. And btw
nearly all linux distributions today offer a bunch of PECL extensions, and
for windows we offer DLLs for most PECL extensions for a long time now.

The problem with this, as I wrote earlier, is that people relying on hosting can't use them, and hosts tend not to know as much as they could about PHP or its extensions. There does need to be a basic agreement here about what PHP is without any additions. IMHO that should be the minimum necessary to build a simple website, ie even if your host knows nothing about PHP it's still possible to do something useful with it. I suggested SQLite as a way of ensuring that there is _some_ database in PHP regardless of whether the host has added something or not. PDO should be built-in anyway. Neither is the case under doze @ present - both are separate entities that have to be explicitly enabled, i.e. there is no intrinsic database support in PHP. And yes, you do get Windows hosting these days.

Also, we can't rely on linux distributions/the availability of DLLs on php.net for distribution. There needs to be a single simple cross-platform method for getting hold of extensions for PHP - but I think Greg's so close to achieving that, it isn't really an issue. The problem of zero QA, is.

- Steph
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