On 03.02.2008, at 18:24, Steph Fox wrote:
Hi Marcus,
Anyway my idea is to start everything in PECL and
to to move everything out that can be moved out. And that includes
all MySQL
extensions as well as SQLite. Only this way people will use the PELC
infrastructure. Otherwise we would just reduce functionality of
PHP. And btw
nearly all linux distributions today offer a bunch of PECL
extensions, and
for windows we offer DLLs for most PECL extensions for a long time
now.
The problem with this, as I wrote earlier, is that people relying on
hosting can't use them, and hosts tend not to know as much as they
could about PHP or its extensions. There does need to be a basic
agreement here about what PHP is without any additions. IMHO that
should be the minimum necessary to build a simple website, ie even
if your host knows nothing about PHP it's still possible to do
something useful with it. I suggested SQLite as a way of ensuring
that there is _some_ database in PHP regardless of whether the host
has added something or not. PDO should be built-in anyway. Neither
is the case under doze @ present - both are separate entities that
have to be explicitly enabled, i.e. there is no intrinsic database
support in PHP. And yes, you do get Windows hosting these days.
Also, we can't rely on linux distributions/the availability of DLLs
on php.net for distribution. There needs to be a single simple cross-
platform method for getting hold of extensions for PHP - but I think
Greg's so close to achieving that, it isn't really an issue. The
problem of zero QA, is.
I am not sure if I misunderstood some other persons proposal, but at
least my proposal was that the final thing we ship as version xyz of
PHP would include a set of PECL extensions along with core that we
deem as necessary for the bulk of our users solving the web problem.
As such we could even publish a list of additional extensions we
recommend to hosters to also install, though the question is if we can
also QA them as part of the release process.
regards,
Lukas
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