On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 6:33 AM, Zeev Suraski <z...@zend.com> wrote: >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Pierre Joye [mailto:pierre....@gmail.com] >> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 4:09 PM >> To: Zeev Suraski >> Cc: Anthony Ferrara; PHP internals >> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Using Other Channels (was Scalar Type Declarations >> v0.5) >> >> We have seen off list discussions or pressures many times in the pasts. I >> have >> (other too but I can only talk for myself) been said an insane amount of >> times >> to stop private discussions, for anything related to php core. There is no >> exception to this rule. I repeat: >> There is NO exception to this rule. > > I disagree. Completely.
I did not expect you to agree. I would be surprised if you do. > I think 1:1 or group discussions are completely legitimate, and they're not > only legitimate - they can be very productive. > > There's a huge gap between making decisions in closed groups, or doing 'arm > bending' - and private discussions, which I repeat, are completely > legitimate. > Private discussions happen all the time, in countless mediums. Conferences, > emails, IRC (public in theory, private in practice), Twitter DMs and more. > > There's absolutely nothing wrong with discussing an idea directly with one > or more people before bugging thousands of people with it. They'd all be > better served if the idea presented to them already had a slightly more than > just one person standing behind it (which is an inherent side effect of > barring private discussions as you suggest), and had some of the initial > issues weeded out. To discuss at an idea or concept at events and co? Indeed. We all do that. The difference is how to move it to a group discussions and grab other people thoughts to actually get it done, with consensus. The latter part is totally absent using your process. Discussing, working, implementing something for weeks or months privately? NDA and all that? Sorry, this is not the PHP I want. Weeding out the initial issues? I wonder which magic you use to be able to figure out all issues based on the experiences or thoughts of a couple of people. It does not work. What you say is that a very small group is able to pin point the perfect proposal better than actually discussing it on the open channels. This is wrong in so many ways. Cheers, Pierre -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
