On 12/09/2019 23:16, Mike Schinkel wrote:
How many of those are actually developers? Because the way I understand this numbers, 
"powering the web", that doesn't mean 34% are also developers. It wouldn't 
surprise me if a big portion of these applications could've also be a system written in 
another language, deployed, plugins installed, added some themes and done, no PHP 
knowledge required.
Most WordPress users are*not*  programmers.

Which is why introducing breaking changes to PHP will potentially affect them so 
negatively; because they have no programmers on staff nor any skill to fix the problem. 
Which means they will have to hire expensive programmers — like me!!! — to fix a problem 
that from their perspective they do not understand nor will even recognize a benefit when 
the code is "fixed."

Again, I am just presenting this perspective on this list.  Those who vote on 
this list will decide if breaking WordPress end-user's site bothers them or not.

Something which does not help here is the way WordPress enforces upgrades that may not be compatible with all elements of the themes that the user currently has active. I AM a programmer rather than a web designer and am having trouble keeping WordPress sites stable. To that end I have decided simply to freeze at PHP7.2 for various reasons but WordPress is now complaining that the version of PHP is out of date. One just can't win ... some of the WordPress sites themes will not even work with PHP7 (or WP5) at all. So we *DO* need an LTS version of PHP that will run perfectly functional websites for the next ten years while others create the next replacement for the likes of WordPress by moving framework functionality inside PHP ... Much of the discussion on new features cut across the ways frameworks already handle that functionality ...

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