Hi Gregg, Seems you didn’t get what you were looking for, but again, I think an open source project reflector is not the place for unprofessional and unproductive personal conflict, and I’m sorry that nobody (myself included) stepped in sooner to try to course-correct the thread between you and Morten.
Going forward, let’s all do our best to refrain from posting to the reflector in a moment of agitation, as it typically will be better to cool off, and then focus on just what is relevant to the many participants on the reflector. Take care, Nathan From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Gregg Reynolds Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2018 4:24 PM To: Heldt-Sheller, Nathan <[email protected]> Cc: Clarke Stevens <[email protected]>; Morten Nielsen <[email protected]>; iotivity-dev <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [dev] Where are the devs? On Thu, Jun 7, 2018, 5:52 PM Heldt-Sheller, Nathan <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Hi Gregg, I didn’t intend to “take sides” but rather apologized that the thread wasn’t brought back to a constructive and friendly track sooner Blah blah Sorry, not good enough. I was the victim of a viscious ad hominem attack, and this is the best you can do? Somebody asked on another thread about the healthy of the Iotivity community. Make your own judgements. I'm outta here! ; it ran for a few days without comment from any of the IoTivity leadership (ISG or maintainers). It took an unproductive turn relatively early on. I think we (IoTivity leadership) should have been quicker to steer things back to a productive discussion, and that’s what I was apologizing for. I’m sorry if it seemed like sides were taken. I’m on the “side” of keeping it professional and friendly ☺ Thanks, Nathan Heldt-Sheller, Intel Corp. OSWG Pro-Tem Chair (at least for now!) (hah!) From: Gregg Reynolds [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2018 2:07 PM To: Heldt-Sheller, Nathan <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Cc: Clarke Stevens <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; Morten Nielsen <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; iotivity-dev <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Subject: Re: [dev] Where are the devs? On Thu, Jun 7, 2018, 12:03 AM Nathan Heldt-Sheller <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Morten, Thank you for raising your concerns. We do strive to be a welcoming and inclusive community of developers. I apologize that the thread below wasn’t more closely and promptly monitored. A few simple facts: * A contributing member of the community (that would be me) was viscously attacked by another (contributing?) member, in very personal terms. (Opinion: a vile piece of character assassination.) * A "leader" of the community responded by apologizing - to the attacker!!! He even took the trouble to sign his message *as* an official, which he does not normally do. I'm not (too) mad, just mildly disappointed; after all this is the internet, the occasional dose of ad-hominem vitriol is to be expected. But I confess I expected (stupidly) something a little better from a putative "leader" of the community. Like, trying to defuse rather than intensify conflict? Taking sides, forgetting that there are two sides to every story - not really what I personally like to see in a leader. He could have adopted a more irenic attitude. For example: Dear <sir/madame>, I'm sorry that you are upset, but I hope you will not let the opinions of one person sour you on an entire community. Also, in future please do not engage in personal attacks. If someone says something you find upsetting, you may find it more productive to a) take a breather; and b) explain in neutral language just what you found upsetting and ask for clarification. That way you give the other party the chance to clarify and/or make amends. After all it could be the case that you have misunderstood, or that the other guy expressed himself poorly, or that one or both of you was just having a bad day. Please try to stay focused on the issue, instead of villifying somebody you have probably never even met. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_charity I'm not going away mad. Anybody interested in the tooling, bug fixes etc. I've done is welcome to file an issue on OpenOCF. If you want to move any of that stuff to Iotivity I am willing to help. By the way, ever notice that the ending of Ogre is the begining of Gregg? Coincidence? Love, Ogre(GG) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#9683): https://lists.iotivity.org/g/iotivity-dev/message/9683 Mute This Topic: https://lists.iotivity.org/mt/20813494/21656 Group Owner: [email protected] Leave: https://lists.iotivity.org/g/iotivity-dev/unsub [[email protected]] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
