> > => I agree with your scenario, however, I think the "preference"
 > > of one *link* over another that you refer to happens before this 
 > > text becomes effective.
 > 
 > No, I am talking about the case of multiple routers on the *same*
 > link in which the host may prefer some on-link routers over others
 > for reasons beyond the scope of the spec. 

=> Ok, that's fine, but how do you these routers: a) exist, and b)
are working, i.e. not down. Shouldn't you at least know this before 
you prefer a router?

Hesham

That is why I would like
 > to see the simple "etc" added; it gives flexibility for the host
 > to prefer some on-link routers over others in its default router
 > selection process.
 > 
 > Fred
 > [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
 > 
 > -----Original Message-----
 > From: Soliman, Hesham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 > Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 1:37 PM
 > To: Templin, Fred L; ipv6@ietf.org
 > Subject: RE: RFC2461(bis), section 6.3.6
 > 
 > 
 >  > 
 >  > Yes, this is the passage I am concerned with. The point is
 >  > that (in some environments) not all routers on the link will
 >  > be equivalent, e.g., some routers may exhibit better QoS than
 >  > others due to different signal-to-noise ratios, queue lengths,
 >  > etc.
 >  > 
 >  > In those cases, hosts may prefer some routers over others
 >  > for reasons that are not related to: "...in the INCOMPLETE
 >  > state, or for which no Neighbor Cache entry exists". Adding
 >  > the "etc" allows for other cases in which reachability of
 >  > some routers is "suspect".
 > 
 > => I agree with your scenario, however, I think the "preference"
 > of one *link* over another that you refer to happens before this 
 > text becomes effective. For example, you might prefer link A
 > over link B because you think link-layer A suits you more. If you
 > do, you will first need to make sure router A is reachable before you
 > make
 > it your default router. In other words, you can't automatically
 > translate
 > a link layer preference to a router preference. In the example I just
 > gave, link-layer A would not be useful if router A is down; despite 
 > preferring link-layer A, you would still make router B your default
 > router. 
 > So in summary, you first want to make sure that the router is 
 > reachable before you start applying other metrics for preferring
 > it over another router. 
 > 
 > Hesham
 > 
 > 
 > 
 >  > 
 >  > Fred
 >  > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 >  > 
 >  > -----Original Message-----
 >  > From: Soliman, Hesham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 >  > Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 12:51 PM
 >  > To: Templin, Fred L; ipv6@ietf.org
 >  > Subject: RE: RFC2461(bis), section 6.3.6
 >  > 
 >  > Fred
 >  > 
 >  > I assume you're referring to this :
 >  > 
 >  >    1)   Routers that are reachable or probably reachable 
 >  > (i.e., in any
 >  >         state other than INCOMPLETE) SHOULD be preferred 
 > over routers
 >  >         whose reachability is unknown or suspect (i.e., in the
 >  >         INCOMPLETE state, or for which no Neighbor Cache 
 >  > entry exists).
 >  >         Further implementation hints on default router 
 > selection when
 >  >         multiple equivalent routers are available are discussed in
 >  >         [LD-SHRE].
 >  > 
 >  > Can you please elaborate on what this change will do and why 
 >  > it is more 
 >  > inclusive? just trying to understand. 
 >  > 
 >  > I'll add in the reference for [LD-SHRE], thanks. 
 >  > 
 >  > Hesham
 >  > 
 >  > 
 >  > ________________________________
 >  > 
 >  >   From: Templin, Fred L [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 >  >   Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 11:57 AM
 >  >   To: ipv6@ietf.org
 >  >   Subject: RFC2461(bis), section 6.3.6
 >  >   
 >  >   
 >  >   I would like to see something a bit more inclusive in
 >  > (RFC2461(bis),
 >  >   section 6.3.6) for default router selection when not all routers
 >  > on the
 >  >   link are equivalent, e.g., when a wireless host sees routers
 >  > with
 >  >   varying link quality. Suggestion is to simply change:
 >  >    
 >  >      INCOMPLETE state, or for which no Neighbor Cache entry
 >  > exists).
 >  >   to:
 >  >      INCOMPLETE state, for which no Neighbor Cache entry exists,
 >  > etc.).
 >  >    
 >  >   This could either go in the next draft version or as an AUTH48
 >  > item.
 >  >   (Also the reference for [LD-SHRE] is missing.)
 >  >    
 >  >   Fred
 >  >   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 >  > 
 >  > 
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